Brian Daboll has no future here

[BillsFan692]

Daboll puts our offense into conservative mode once we have a lead at the direction of Sean McDermott. Its actually McDermott who likes to play what I used to think was "tyrod ball" but am now realizing its actually "mcdermott ball".

 

He needs to grow as a coach, he holds both Daboll and Allen back. Then again, allen has shown at times this season he needed to be held back. They need to find the sweet spot it isnt right.

[Locomark]

4 hours ago, Maynard said:

It’s Daboll, it’s Allen overthrowing. It all needs to improve. 

You forgot our star receiver had 1 catch (a big one) and our star RB had no running room and the OL looked bad again. To me the deciding factor was the 4 sacks and lack of any first down running game, not Allen. 

Edited December 22, 2019 by Locomark

[BuffaloFan68]

Way too early for this.  Daboll would go right back to NE & we would regret it for years.  We got rid of Greg Roman too quick and look how he’s doing now.  I do disagree with this close game, chess match strategy but let’s give him a little more time.
 Let’s Go Buffalo!!!!!

[Bangarang]

55 minutes ago, MJS said:

He referenced McDermott.

I already said I was referring to Daboll.

6 minutes ago, BuffaloFan68 said:

Way too early for this.  Daboll would go right back to NE & we would regret it for years.  We got rid of Greg Roman too quick and look how he’s doing now.  I do disagree with this close game, chess match strategy but let’s give him a little more time.
 Let’s Go Buffalo!!!!!

Except Greg Roman actually had good offenses here and Daboll hasn’t. 

[transplantbillsfan]

5 hours ago, GG said:

Is there a possibility that the OC is bad because the QB can't consistently execute?

 

Or maybe the OC is just used to working with a seasoned vet like Brady and doesn't actually understand the concept of getting a young QB in rhythm in order to build confidence.

 

Daboll does some good things, but overall it's our OC who isn't consistently executing, not our young QB, who essentially carried the team today and had a 102.7 Passer Rating.

[die hard bills fan]

My issue is he doesn't change personnel.  It's the same all the time....Brown, Beasley, Singularity running the same plays...with a smattering of Knox, Foster and Mckenzie.  They are not scoring enough.   Activate Yeldon for more rb pass options and Duke as the bigger physical receiver to give the offense more options.  I don't  understand they don't use them.

[transplantbillsfan]

https://theathletic.com/1480032/2019/12/22/7-observations-from-bills-patriots-josh-allens-moments-of-greatness-undone-by-inconsistency?source=shared-article

The infuriating end to the final drive

Regardless of the hot-and-cold quarterbacking Allen provided, the young quarterback was white-hot to begin their final offensive possession. He moved the ball with ease and racked up six first downs to get the Bills all the way down to New England’s 8-yard line. Despite all of their inefficiency throughout the game, Allen and the Bills had a good chance at forcing overtime. And then, the Bills got a bit too predictable for my liking.

 

Offensive coordinator Brian Daboll has done a good job for most of the season while trying to manage life with a high-variance second-year quarterback. However, Daboll’s personnel grouping decision starting with first-and-goal was a misfire. Heading into the game, wide receiver Andre Roberts had participated in 96 offensive snaps all season and had a grand total of three receptions to his name. Usually, when he’s in the game, it means the Bills are likely to run the ball to the edge to take advantage of his blocking prowess. There have been a few examples of the Bills trying something unique with Roberts on the field, but they tend to run it wide when he’s in the game. The Patriots saw this, played the odds and thwarted the Allen sweep left for a 1-yard loss, which also set the tone for the next three downs. Allen flat missed Knox on second down, but then the Bills were in a negative, 3rd-and-long situation. From there, the Patriots brought pressure to Allen; he couldn’t do anything with it, and New England escaped with a close win. The Bills could have put themselves in a much better position to keep the Patriots on their toes to start the goal-to-go situation by maintaining the personnel that helped get them there in the first place. The Bills had the Patriots guessing, and then they took the guesswork out of it with the game hanging in the balance.

[Kelly the Dog]

7 hours ago, GG said:

Yeah, that must be it.  The OC is intentionally tanking the offense for the first 3 quarters. 

 

How about asking the QB to make a routine throw to his TE from the 15 yd line?

That was not at all a routine throw. He cannot under any circumstance throw it on a line or be short. The DB was right there. He cannot be long, which he was because it is out or the end zone. He cannot loft it unless it is perfect. That said, he had another chance later on a harder throw. But a top level QB hits one of those two. Neither was easy at all. But he needs to hit one of the two difficult ones. And he didn't. Neither was a routine throw. And he did hit two ridiculous bombs. 

6 hours ago, DuckyBoys said:

Story of the game is Allen hits Brown on a bomb td.  The D finally gets a stop .  We have a 17-13 lead  and instead of trying to expand it our offense goes out and Daboll runs Singeltary on back to back runs into a heavy run D front  Its been the same story all year  Team does not know how to go for the jugular  Too worried to make a mistake to make a big p;ay

I think this is a huge problem but more McD dictating than Daboll. Hard to know. But I think Josh and Daboll are hamstrung by McD. 

[Kelly the Dog]

6 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

The offense is garbage but I can't see Daboll going anywhere.

 

Allen has always been a terrible fit for this style of offense.

 

It's complicated for a young QB and not matched to his strengths.

 

But *maybe* this offseason Allen can grow as a passer and start hitting the windows that are required to make it work.

 

He's putting in the effort but right now he just misses way too many throws that need to be made to make it work.

 

If he can't learn to hit those layups the defense gives him then they will have to go in another direction schematically on offense.  

 

It would be smarter to play to his ridiculous strengths than make him fit this offense. 

[Chandler#81]

7 hours ago, Tesla03 said:

End of discussion. the guy is clueless when it comes to putting together a top offense. 

 

28th in the league in pass offense. ranked bottom 10 in almost every single important category. You saw on that last drive how he is holding back this offense. How come when the game is on the line our offense suddenly becomes alive? Allen was going off script and making plays with his arm and legs. 

 

Daboll has 1 more year to figure his job out or he needs to go. being ranked bottom 5 pass offense as a 10 win playoff team is a joke. 

This thread is embarrassing.

[Kelly the Dog]

5 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said:

This thread is embarrassing.

It's  very tough to know where McD's influence ends and Daboll's independence begins. I personally think Daboll would be much more aggressive on his own. I think McD insists on running more and restraining Josh more than Daboll does. 

[BuffaloBillsGospel]

7 hours ago, matter2003 said:

Its not about play calls its about execution. Dawson Knox was wide open in the corner of the endzone and he put it about a foot too high. The OC can't make up for continuous poor execution.

 

Come on man, I get Allen wasn't on par the whole game but where is the help for him? If he's struggling to throw how about a screen pass? Did we even throw one? Does this OC know what a screen pass is? We got burned once again for what seems like the millionth time against Brady and the screen pass, why is it so hard for any OC who comes here to even attempt them? Easy throws that Allen can get some confidence from. Most of the throws are 20+ yards down field and that's not just on Allen, if he has designed runs why not designed screen passes to get his swagger back? This offense lacks any sort of creativity. Like when you saw the Eagles win the SB against Tom Brady do you think Daboll would have had even half the balls to run that Philly special? 

[GunnerBill]

I have defended Daboll a lot this year. I thought he was horrible yesterday. Ran it too much. Should have thrown deep earlier to open up the underneath throws more. Failed to identify the right matchups.... 

 

Yes, the oline played its worst game of the year. 

Yes, especially early Josh Allen had some horrible misses.

 

But I hated that gameplan. Awful. Someone has told him to run the ball more and we look worse for it. 

3 hours ago, BuffaloBillsGospel said:

This offense lacks any sort of creativity. Like when you saw the Eagles win the SB against Tom Brady do you think Daboll would have had even half the balls to run that Philly special? 

 

He might have the balls with 6 seconds left before HT and one shot to get in to throw a pass to his starting LT. 

 

There are many things this offense is missing. Creativity and trickery is definitely not one of them. 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

10 hours ago, Tesla03 said:

 

you do realize the only reason the defense played bad was bc they were gassed the entire 2nd half. 

 

look at the TOP before our final drive. 

 

And who was to blame for that? Were they gassed in the first half when they just couldn't tackle anybody?

[Nihilarian]

With any luck perhaps the Bills face this team again in a few weeks...with a different outcome.

[Mango]

11 hours ago, Tesla03 said:

 

the pats show obvious blitz and he doesn't even bother to put in extra blockers. 

 

Daboll hasn't got a clue how to do his job. constantly getting out coached. when we can't rely on our defense to make stops and turnovers this is what happens. 

 

I was surprised we didn’t burn our last TO after taking a look at the Pats D. It’s the final offensive play of the game. There is nothing to save a TO for. They needed more time to get set there. 

[DCOrange]

11 hours ago, BigBobby said:

No way u are right. I'm talking about designed runs. Not play breakdown scrambles. Not possible that play works well statistically. It's like gore up the middle.

I’ll try to find the article but I’m not even really sure where to start lol. It was definitely specifically about the QB sweeps though. 

[Mango]

5 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

Or maybe the OC is just used to working with a seasoned vet like Brady and doesn't actually understand the concept of getting a young QB in rhythm in order to build confidence.

 

Daboll does some good things, but overall it's our OC who isn't consistently executing, not our young QB, who essentially carried the team today and had a 102.7 Passer Rating.

 

Allen has had bad games throwing the call 40 times as well. It’s not like there hasn’t been an attempt. Allen is unpredictably hot and cold. 

Edited December 22, 2019 by Mango

[GunnerBill]

23 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

And who was to blame for that? Were they gassed in the first half when they just couldn't tackle anybody?

 

Actually they did tackle people in the first half. The defense did not play great yesterday but most of the whiffs were in the 4th Quarter and they go no help from the O sustaining drives. The O was a major problem yesterday despite the two terrific plays that brought about our touchdowns. Not all on Josh. Far from it. A lot on Daboll actually. But the O killed the defense yesterday. Not a single first down between us taking the lead and the Pats going up by a TD. The D forced a 3 and out in that time too. Just bad offensive football. 

[Mango]

19 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Actually they did tackle people in the first half. The defense did not play great yesterday but most of the whiffs were in the 4th Quarter and they go no help from the O sustaining drives. The O was a major problem yesterday despite the two terrific plays that brought about our touchdowns. Not all on Josh. Far from it. A lot on Daboll actually. But the O killed the defense yesterday. Not a single first down between us taking the lead and the Pats going up by a TD. The D forced a 3 and out in that time too. Just bad offensive football. 

 

Defense got worked by play action especially yesterday. Brady and BB came prepared and picked on Edmunds and drew Philips off sides. Defense did ok making contact but couldn’t wrap up. Also gifted the offense the ball within field goal range. Offense did next to nothing with it. If not for that, it’s a 2 possession game. 

 

That said, they did enough to keep the game in reach. 17 points might not be enough to beat the Bengals on any given Sunday. For the first 28 minutes we were 3/9 and something like 11 net yards after sacks. 

Edited December 22, 2019 by Mango