class_of_2012 Posted December 20, 2019 Author Share Posted December 20, 2019 15 hours ago, row_33 said: Dungy? edit: there isn't a third? I apologize. I meant two people total. I got it messed up. Yes, Ditka and Flores only. 15 hours ago, Limeaid said: Ditka and who else? Thomas Raymond Flores is an American former professional football coach and player. He and Mike Ditka are the only two people in National Football League history to win a Super Bowl as a player, assistant coach, and head coach. Career history As player: Salinas Packers (1958) Oakland Raiders (1960–1966) Buffalo Bills (1967–1969) Kansas City Chiefs (1969) As coach: Oakland / Los Angeles Raiders (1979–1987) Head coach Seattle Seahawks (1992–1994) Head coach Career highlights and awards As Player Super Bowl champion (IV) AFL All-Star (1966) As Coach 3× Super Bowl champion: XI (as assistant coach) XV, XVIII (as head coach) Career NFL statistics TD–INT: 93–92 Passing yards: 11,959 Passer rating: 67.6 Head coaching record Regular season: 97–87 (.527) Postseason: 8–3 (.727) Career: 105–90 (.538) Yeah I got it wrong. Just two people. Thanks for catching my mistake. I will edit my post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 Best wishes, Tom/Coach! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 12 hours ago, thenorthremembers said: Dont disagree, but the HoF is a weird place. Joe Namath was probably just as bad, if not worse. you will never be 1 millionth the man he is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 16 hours ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...Flores and Plunkett ?...should they be in?......both we're accomplished, but I've often wondered in this day and age of "political correctness" why Tom (Hispanic) or Jim (Native American) have not been brought up more frequently...... I don't care at all about "political correctness" I don't think Flores by winning 1 SB has done enough to deserve a gold jacket (correct me if i'm wrong) but on the other hand Plunket given how he went from first round pick to the bench & then to a 2 time SB winning QB deserves to be in the HOF ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 1 minute ago, T master said: I don't care at all about "political correctness" I don't think Flores by winning 1 SB has done enough to deserve a gold jacket (correct me if i'm wrong) but on the other hand Plunket given how he went from first round pick to the bench & then to a 2 time SB winning QB deserves to be in the HOF ! ...I don't either nor was I advocating it.......but anything is possible today regardless of the arena (unfortunately)...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 1 minute ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...I don't either nor was I advocating it.......but anything is possible today regardless of the arena (unfortunately)...... look at what baseball is allowing in through the "friends and poker cronies" committee 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...I don't either nor was I advocating it.......but anything is possible today regardless of the arena (unfortunately)...... Agree'd I wasn't blowing you up just adding my 2 cents & that with a dollar might get you a candy bar at the corner store ? Too i never knew he was a Buffalo Bill !! Edited December 20, 2019 by T master 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 Just now, T master said: Agree'd I wasn't blowing you up just adding my 2 cents & that with a dollar might get you a candy bar at the corner store ? easy to say that's how you see it, the more you actualize it the better it is just aim for laughs on here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 1 hour ago, row_33 said: you will never be 1 millionth the man he is Probably not. And I think I am good with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 For what reason?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 Just now, thenorthremembers said: Probably not. And I think I am good with that. uh huh.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 Just now, row_33 said: uh huh.... I feel like you're saying to be a mans man you should wear stockings, fur coats and high heels. Then later in life get drunk on national TV and beg Suzie Kolber for a kiss. Is that what you're saying? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 2 hours ago, T master said: Agree'd I wasn't blowing you up just adding my 2 cents & that with a dollar might get you a candy bar at the corner store ? Too i never knew he was a Buffalo Bill !! still too soon for many on here.... kind of worse than the Maybin draft pick and it turned out he would rather be fingerpainting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 38 FINALISTS!!!???? who got tossed out in prior rounds, JP Losman? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 20 hours ago, ticketssince61 said: He was involved in one of the worst trades in Bills history Traded away Lamonica and Glen Bass for Flores and Art Powell https://www.si.com/vault/1967/11/13/610151/a-big-raid-that-really-paid-off Yep. Flores and Powell were once good, thus the names made a splash - more like a thud as it turned out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBills1998 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 16 hours ago, Tcali said: how old are you?? Why does that matter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBills1998 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 5 hours ago, T master said: I don't care at all about "political correctness" I don't think Flores by winning 1 SB has done enough to deserve a gold jacket (correct me if i'm wrong) but on the other hand Plunket given how he went from first round pick to the bench & then to a 2 time SB winning QB deserves to be in the HOF ! Actually to correct you Flores won 2 Super Bowls the first one I believe was back in 79 and then he won in 83. Plunkett doesn’t deserve the HOF because he was mediocre to average at best. He was pretty much a joe Ferguson type of handoff man to Marcus Allen and that year in 83 it was all Allen and the defense. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
class_of_2012 Posted December 20, 2019 Author Share Posted December 20, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, BuffaloBills1998 said: Actually to correct you Flores won 2 Super Bowls the first one I believe was back in 79 and then he won in 83. Plunkett doesn’t deserve the HOF because he was mediocre to average at best. He was pretty much a joe Ferguson type of handoff man to Marcus Allen and that year in 83 it was all Allen and the defense. It was actually in 1980-81, when the Raiders upset the Philadelphia Eagles. I remember that year fondly, as the Bills won the division at 11-5. The fans tore down the goal posts on opening day when we beat Miami for the first time in a decade. I agree about Plunkett. Edited December 20, 2019 by class_of_2012 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 Flores Raiders beat the Vermeil Eagles in the 1980 season Super Bowl a totally open year with the Steelers now finished every time i payed this season with Paydirt or computer sims the Chargers were totally unstoppable... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 3 minutes ago, class_of_2012 said: It was actually in 1980-81, when the Raiders upset the Philadelphia Eagles. I remember that year fondly, as the Bills won the division at 11-5. The fans tore down the goal posts on opening day when we beat Miami for the first time in a decade. I agree about Plunkett. Carrying this further, if it weren’t for the Bills, the Jim Plunkett Comeback story may never have been written. We played the Raiders game 5 of ‘80. This was Year 1 after the huge Stabler/Pastorini trade. We broke Dante’s leg in that game -a Win that pushed us to 5-0. Plunkett came in to replace Pastorini and the rest -as they say, is history. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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