Allen slammed on ESPN

[row_33]

8 minutes ago, billsrul120 said:

I find it interesting that you are trying to prove your point by saying that Buffalo is at some distinct advantage because every team in the league has thrown for at least 300 yards at least once almost every season.  

 

If that is the case then the worst, best and every team in between does it and therefore wouldn't suggest that it makes a team better or for that matter worse.

 

I would like to see Josh light a team up though.

 

just find a way to get out of Foxborough with the W, by any means necessary

 

 

[Socal-805]

On 12/19/2019 at 3:53 AM, Chandler#81 said:

Wow! We’ve seen significant improvement from him this season compared to the raw rookie last year. Is there much room to grow? Yes, and he wants to! It’s frustrating at times, but when the chips are down, I want him on my team. 

 

 

If we've seen significant improvement, why hasn't the passing game also seen "significant" improvement?

 

The Bills passing game, after adding 4 new O-linemen, 2 new receivers, and being a major focus of improvement still at the bottom of the NFL in overall passing?

 

2018:  31st in passing yards

 

2019:  28th in passing yards.

 

 

 

[Bray Wyatt]

8 minutes ago, Socal-805 said:

 

 

If we've seen significant improvement, why hasn't the passing game also seen "significant" improvement?

 

The Bills passing game, after adding 4 new O-linemen, 2 new receivers, and being a major focus of improvement still at the bottom of the NFL in overall passing?

 

2018:  31st in passing yards

 

2019:  28th in passing yards.

 

 

 

We have seen a 15% increase in passing yards per game from last year, if we have a similar jump next year we will be in the middle of the pack

[oldmanfan]

34 minutes ago, billsrul120 said:

I find it interesting that you are trying to prove your point by saying that Buffalo is at some distinct advantage because every team in the league has thrown for at least 300 yards at least once almost every season.  

 

If that is the case then the worst, best and every team in between does it and therefore wouldn't suggest that it makes a team better or for that matter worse.

 

I would like to see Josh light a team up though.

Making rational arguments to irrational individuals rarely helps

[Socal-805]

12 minutes ago, Bray Wyatt said:

We have seen a 15% increase in passing yards per game from last year, if we have a similar jump next year we will be in the middle of the pack

 

 

Good point: something else to look forward to.  I hope they draft a WR in the 2nd or 3rd round.

 

 

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

These kinds of stats prove nothing. At one time before Emmit Smith, it was said you couldn't win the SB with the NFLs leading rusher. Then along comes Emmit and bingo Cowboys win, and then TerrellDavis... The point about getting an arbitrary 300 yards passing has nothing to do with whether a team can win the SB.

Edited December 20, 2019 by D. L. Hot-Flamethrower

[row_33]

7 minutes ago, Socal-805 said:

 

 

Good point: something else to look forward to.  I hope they draft a WR in the 2nd or 3rd round.

 

 

 

15%?

 

oh wow, i'm getting excited already

 

[Socal-805]

15 minutes ago, row_33 said:

 

15%?

 

oh wow, i'm getting excited already

 

 

 

yEAH, but THAT 15 % WOULD BE 30 + YARDS AND MAYBE 2 1ST downs / game also.

 

Just saying...

[Billsfan1972]

1 hour ago, billsrul120 said:

I find it interesting that you are trying to prove your point by saying that Buffalo is at some distinct advantage because every team in the league has thrown for at least 300 yards at least once almost every season.  

 

If that is the case then the worst, best and every team in between does it and therefore wouldn't suggest that it makes a team better or for that matter worse.

 

I would like to see Josh light a team up though.

No I'm saying that the Bills for some reason (i.e. coaching philosophy & paly calling) have not reached 300 yards passing in almost 3 full seasons, while every friggin  team in the NFL is capable & does it at least once a season.

 

38 minutes ago, Bray Wyatt said:

We have seen a 15% increase in passing yards per game from last year, if we have a similar jump next year we will be in the middle of the pack

Wow......  Still 28th, which is appalling & 31st & 30th the prior two years.....  

 

Do you guys really have so little expectations of the offense?  

 

BTW with such a good defense that means the Bills should too get more possessions & opportunities to shine.

 

Interesting is that yes the Offense is 12th in plays & 22nd in yards this year (19th & 30th in 2018 & 15th & 29th in 2017), which again shows just how conservative & bad this coaching is.......  Or it is Allen & we need a new QB (which I hope it is not).....  

Edited December 20, 2019 by Billsfan1972

[Bray Wyatt]

1 minute ago, Billsfan1972 said:

No I'm saying that the Bills for some reason (i.e. coaching philosophy & paly calling) have not reached 300 yards passing in almost 3 full seasons, while every friggin  team in the NFL is capable & does it at least once a season.

 

Wow......  Still 28th, which is appalling & 31st & 30th the prior two years.....  

 

Do you guys really have so little expectations of the offense?  

 

BTW with such a good defense that means the Bills should too get more possessions & opportunities to shine.

The prior two years is irrelevant in regards to Allen, as he was only here last year. I am not saying I am happy with the passing attack, but if we get a similar jump next year with this defense we will be much better off.

 

 

[Billsfan1972]

3 minutes ago, Bray Wyatt said:

The prior two years is irrelevant in regards to Allen, as he was only here last year. I am not saying I am happy with the passing attack, but if we get a similar jump next year with this defense we will be much better off.

 

 

I'm an Allen fan......  I think he is way better then the OC & HC allow him to be, which is why I do go on.  

[Bray Wyatt]

17 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

I'm an Allen fan......  I think he is way better then the OC & HC allow him to be, which is why I do go on.  

I think there is some merit to this. Personally I feel like McD will open (or want to open) the O up more the more he trusts Allen. In regards to Daboll, I am not sure if there is a fix there personally, and maybe he (Daboll) will just need to improve as a play caller and/or do a better job of setting Allen up to succeed. I think the change to the booth has helped and want Daboll back for at least one more year for continuity sake

Edited December 20, 2019 by Bray Wyatt

[SoTier]

22 hours ago, Billsfan1972 said:

And again as a casual observer from outside, one sees <150 yards in each of the last two games and NO 300 yard games.....

 

As Bills fans we point to the 4th quarter comebacks & I wonder if he can look so good on so many drives & leading the team back, why are the coaches PETRIFIED to do it the whole game.

 

When  McD claims 17 points isn't enough, but the strategy & play calling is exactly that (ball control, no mistakes, bleed the clock, run 6 X's in a row inside the opponents 20, celebrate running out the clock & 1 first down with all your timeouts, play for a 53 fg to tie the game, kick the ball back twice last week to Pitt in the last 5 minutes) the eye test states otherwise & the national media thinks that the QB is meh at best.

 

Oh & btw giving the offense little weapons the last three years hasn't helped either.

 

All D all the time.......

 

I think -- at least I hope -- that McDermott/Daboll are coaching the conservative mode that they are because of the personnel limitations on the offense.  I don't believe that the current model is sustainable in this era.  Even great QBs like Brady and Rodgers struggle to put up points when they don't have weapons around them -- and their teams lose games that they probably wouldn't have lost in other seasons when they had better weapons.

 

I've long been a critic of the way that McDermott and Beane stripped the offense of the talent they inherited and replaced it with much lesser talent.  You cannot build a winning team with your offense loaded with Day 3 picks, UDFAs, and refugees from the CFL.   Beane made some excellent acquisitions for the OL in 2019, and Beasley and Brown were good signings, but the general lack of talent on offense needs to be fixed sooner rather than later because it will hamstring the Bills in the playoffs where they'll face teams that not only have just as good or better defenses but also juggernaut offenses.

 

21 hours ago, BigDingus said:

This thread is going to look really humiliating for some people in a few weeks after our first playoff game.

If you really think Josh Allen is going to rise to the occasion & start playing at a level he's not once shown he's capable of against good teams, your optimism has moved onto straight blindness. 

 

Just like in college, just like last year, he's showing when up against good teams he plays miserably. Even against bad teams he only plays "just good enough." There have been 2 games this year where he looked in control from start to finish, the 2nd Dolphins game (and which analyst is going to take that a serious sign of his skill?) and against Dallas when there was still an illusion they might be good. 

Every other time we're only in games because of a dominant defense. "Franchise" guys are supposed to do a LOT more. I mean he's nowhere near the QB's we passed over for him (Mahomes, Watson, Jackson), and at this rate it'd take years for him to approach that level. 

And they're right about how Baltimore played him. Just send the team rushing, leave people wide open and he'll still miss. He can't make reads fast enough, he holds onto the ball longer than anyone in the league, fumbles a lot, takes bad sacks often, and is more consistent on missing wide open targets than anyone I've seen. 

All that said, he CAN grow into something better, but how long will that take? He plays almost identical to the way he did last season. And just like last season, his best stretch of play was when we closed out 2018 with the weakest remaining schedule in the NFL, and coincidentally, Josh looked better! Shocking! 

 

This is simply untrue.  Allen's playing much better recently than he was even earlier in the season, much less last season.  Good defenses can make even great QBs look bad.  The stretch from Thanksgiving through this week end (Cowboys, Ravens, Steelers, Patriots) could have been a 0-4 disaster if Allen hadn't played well.  At worse, they will go 2-2 and maybe even 3-1. 

 

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

38 minutes ago, Bray Wyatt said:

I think there is some merit to this. Personally I feel like McD will open (or want to open) the O up more the more he trusts Allen. In regards to Daboll, I am not sure if there is a fix there personally, and maybe he (Daboll) will just need to improve as a play caller and/or do a better job of setting Allen up to succeed. I think the change to the booth has helped and want Daboll back for at least one more year for continuity sake

 

I would like Daboll back but I would like changes.  If his playbook is as thick and complicated as everyone says, perhaps it needs to be streamlined somewhat.

[TwistofFate]

All that matters right now is beating NE and getting ready to do as much damage as possible in the playoffs. 

 

Allen was subpar this year imo, and next year will need to make pretty significant strides in his game to show he's the guy. 

 

If he doesn't make a big leap and we see much of the same, it will be time to seriously look at the position.   The pieces are are all coming together, we simply need better and more consistent Qb play. 

 

Next year will pretty much tell us everything by seasons end.

 

[Solomon Grundy]

Ben Volin of Boston Globe dissed Josh Allen too. Said Josh still don't know how to play QB from the pocket. Said, and I'm paraphrasing, Allen is a great athlete, with a strong arm, but still can't read defenses. All I'm saying is if Josh hits on the deep passes and his receivers/TEs make the catches tomorrow against the Patriots, it may put to rest this narrative about him.

[Special K]

Today, LeBatard said he has never seen Josh Allen lead a 4th quarter comeback like Brady.

 

Then Sarah Spain countered with: "You saying you've never seen Josh Allen lead a 4th quarter comeback tells me you just don't watch the Bills, because Josh Allen is tied with Russel Wilson with 6 4th quarter comebacks this year!"

 

Way to go Sarah!!??

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

3 minutes ago, Special K said:

Today, LeBatard said he has never seen Josh Allen lead a 4th quarter comeback like Brady.

 

Then Sarah Spain countered with: "You saying you've never seen Josh Allen lead a 4th quarter comeback tells me you just don't watch the Bills, because Josh Allen is tied with Russel Wilson with 6 4th quarter comebacks this year!"

 

Way to go Sarah!!??

 

Lebatard is a buffoon.

[Solomon Grundy]

2 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

Lebatard is a buffoon.

Always controversial 

[SoTier]

9 hours ago, Billsfan1972 said:

Yep....  Congrats you found that boring terrible SB & hanging your hat on it?

 

Well without Offense Brady & NE wouldn't have beaten the Chiefs.

 

Take a look at the 2017 Playoffs & all the 300 yard games.

 

Stop too with the Defense wins championships cliche too.

 

If the Bills in the Glory Years had had great defenses, not just good ones, there likely would be at least one Lombardi residing at OBD. 

 

5 hours ago, SlimShady'sGhost said:

McDermott gutted the offense?

I guess you could say that. 
 

what pro bowl caliber players were lost that weren’t replaced with equal or better players?

 

Shady?  Gore is equivalent IMO 

Zay Jones?

Kelvin Benjamin?

 

 

Get your facts straight, dude.

 

McDermott/Beane inherited a very talented WR corps: Sammy Watkins, Robert Woods, Marquise Goodwin.  They inherited a pretty good OL, particularly on the left side with Incognito and Glenn.  They had McCoy at RB.  None of those players left the Bills because they demanded trades or retired or were forced into retirement by injury.

 

Gore is NOT the equivalent of McCoy unless you go back to the Gore of 5 or 6 years ago.

 

Zay Jones was a McDermott draft pick.  Beane traded for Benjamin.