Dan Orlovsky Praises McDermott, Comments on Josh Allen Criticism (Analytics Twitter?)

[BADOLBILZ]

23 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

I don't think Lynn has done jack in terms of changing the Chargers' culture. Or their record for that matter. They are the same bunch of talented underachievers they've ever been. 

 

Reid, like it or not, is 100% an elite offensive coach. I firmly believe Mahomes without Reid isn't as successful (like if he had been drafted by Buffalo)...and Mahomes w/out Reid, Hill, and Kelce is definitely not as successful imo. 

 

They won 9 games combined in 2015-2016.........and won 21 games the first two years under Lynn.    So basically you don't follow the league very closely and just have an opinion you formed a long time ago.

 

And no.......Reid has not always been an elite offensive coach.   He had one season in KC where none of his WR's caught a TD pass.   Zero.   He's a good head coach but the secret is that most of his success has been with defense first teams.   And the Bills had weapons too.   McBeane let them go. 

 

[GoBills808]

6 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

They won 9 games combined in 2015-2016.........and won 21 games the first two years under Lynn.    So basically you don't follow the league very closely and just have an opinion you formed a long time ago.

 

And no.......Reid has not always been an elite offensive coach.   He had one season in KC where none of his WR's caught a TD pass.   Zero.   He's a good head coach but the secret is that most of his success has been with defense first teams.   And the Bills had weapons too.   McBeane let them go. 

 

Why only 2015-16? Because those were McCoy's worst years and they fit your theory? 

 

As far as Reid goes, he basically turned Alex Smith into a different person. 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

On 12/19/2019 at 3:24 AM, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

I couldn't disagree more about the perspective..........the situation was perfect for what McD wanted to do.    There is a difference.

 

They could have hired a quality HC/man in Anthony Lynn and drafted Mahomes or Watson and kept Gilmore, Watkins, Woods  etc.. and very easily become a perennial contender.   The roster was primed for adding on to and the narrative that guys they let go were all team cancers is BS.   Lotta' SB and championship game appearances from those dudes.  Teams like the Eagles and Rams and Seahawks and Falcons have reached SB's and won a couple with setups that would have been more like what Lynn would have likely put together.    Most teams are set up like that.

 

What McD is doing here is something that doesn't work in very many places.    Most owners don't agree to let their HC/GM create the largest amount of dead money EVER generated in one season like The Pegs allowed with McD.  Some people grossly take for granted the authority a couple guys who had never proven anything were given here.   Time will tell if it yields championship football but it won't be because of any limitations imposed on the HC.   

 

Sad. Truly sad. If you think this could have been done any other way, you're blind.

52 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

I don't think Lynn has done jack in terms of changing the Chargers' culture. Or their record for that matter. They are the same bunch of talented underachievers they've ever been. 

 

Reid, like it or not, is 100% an elite offensive coach. I firmly believe Mahomes without Reid isn't as successful (like if he had been drafted by Buffalo)...and Mahomes w/out Reid, Hill, and Kelce is definitely not as successful imo. 

 

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[GoBills808]

1 minute ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

Sad. Truly sad. If you think this could have been done any other way, you're blind.

I find it very telling that he's convinced the unproven hypothetical he's floating would have worked, but is skeptical about the current approach that actually is.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

1 minute ago, GoBills808 said:

I find it very telling that he's convinced the unproven hypothetical he's floating would have worked, but is skeptical about the current approach that actually is.

 

He's got a serious blind spot because he's invested a lot in his little narrative.

[Warcodered]

6 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

He's got a serious blind spot because he's invested a lot in his little narrative.

I just don't get it. The Bills are going to their second playoff game in 3 years, but they could of done it different, WHO CARES!!

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

1 minute ago, Warcodered said:

I just don't get it. The Bills are going to their second playoff game in 3 years, but they could of done it different, WHO CARES!!

 

Dude is the board's OG Nancy. Thus the screen name.

[Phil The Thrill]

On 12/19/2019 at 3:24 AM, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

I couldn't disagree more about the perspective..........the situation was perfect for what McD wanted to do.    There is a difference.

 

They could have hired a quality HC/man in Anthony Lynn and drafted Mahomes or Watson and kept Gilmore, Watkins, Woods  etc.. and very easily become a perennial contender.   The roster was primed for adding on to and the narrative that guys they let go were all team cancers is BS.   Lotta' SB and championship game appearances from those dudes.  Teams like the Eagles and Rams and Seahawks and Falcons have reached SB's and won a couple with setups that would have been more like what Lynn would have likely put together.    Most teams are set up like that.

 

What McD is doing here is something that doesn't work in very many places.    Most owners don't agree to let their HC/GM create the largest amount of dead money EVER generated in one season like The Pegs allowed with McD.  Some people grossly take for granted the authority a couple guys who had never proven anything were given here.   Time will tell if it yields championship football but it won't be because of any limitations imposed on the HC.   

This is not a very good take.  Lynn was handed a contender in SD and look how he did this season.  He’s on the chopping block and the team has underperformed.  So much for your “quality HC.”

 

The rest is textbook “Bills fan revisionist history.”  Sammy Watkins is somehow a Hall of Fame WR is some people’s eyes
 

Edited December 20, 2019 by Phil The Thrill

[Hapless Bills Fan]

On 12/18/2019 at 12:47 PM, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

On 12/18/2019 at 11:16 AM, Phil The Thrill said:

 “Patriots are going to give him shots down field and if he hits them, And chooses to just throw them rather than inaim them I think he amped about them feel sometimes. “

 

What’s this supposed to say/mean? 

 

I think it's missing a word.  He's talking about Josh using his upper body and his arm strength to throw the football rather than using proper footwork to pass the deep shots.

I think (passing vs throwing is the way it's been framed here, throwing vs aiming is another terminology)

[Phil The Thrill]

3 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I think it's missing a word.  He's talking about Josh using his upper body and his arm strength to throw the football rather than using proper footwork to pass the deep shots.

I think (passing vs throwing is the way it's been framed here, throwing vs aiming is another terminology)

Listen to the interview.  Dan is saying that he needs to “throw” the ball rather than “aim” it.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

Just now, Phil The Thrill said:

Listen to the interview.  Dan is saying that he needs to “throw” the ball rather than “aim” it.

 

Yes exactly.  People like @Buffalo716 and I believe Jim Kubiak (QB guru and writer at TBN) phrase it as "passing" vs "throwing"

Orlovsky is using "throwing" vs "aiming". 

 

Same meaning, different set of words.

[Phil The Thrill]

1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Yes exactly.  People like @Buffalo716 and I believe Jim Kubiak (QB guru and writer at TBN) phrase it as "passing" vs "throwing"

Orlovsky is using "throwing" vs "aiming". 

 

Same meaning, different set of words.

cool... I didn’t understand what he meant 

[GoBills808]

29 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

He's got a serious blind spot because he's invested a lot in his little narrative.

Should have figured when he tried to add three years of Lynn’s record against only two of McCoy’s worst to make a point...yeah I can see that.

 

Also saying Reid isn’t an offensive powerhouse is just out to lunch. There were multiple NFL jets parked on standby in PHL the day he got fired.

[GunnerBill]

40 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

Sad. Truly sad. If you think this could have been done any other way, you're blind.

 

See I think that is unfair. It could have been done another way. They were options. Would they have worked? Who knows. But surely all that is relevant is the Bills went all in, from ownership down, on the approach that they did take and so far it is definitely working.  

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Just now, GunnerBill said:

 

See I think that is unfair. It could have been done another way. They were options. Would they have worked? Who knows. But surely all that is relevant is the Bills went all in, from ownership down, on the approach that they did take and so far it is definitely working.  

 

What he's advocatung a CONTINUATION of prior methods. I contend that the whole thing needed burned down. 

[GunnerBill]

Just now, Joe in Winslow said:

 

What he's advocatung a CONTINUATION of prior methods. I contend that the whole thing needed burned down. 

 

I favoured a more radical tear down too. But I do think there were other ways they could have gone. 

[GoBills808]

Just now, GunnerBill said:

 

I favoured a more radical tear down too. But I do think there were other ways they could have gone. 

Exactly why would Anthony Lynn have Mahomes, Watkins, and Woods @ 10-4 right now? Reid has Mahomes, Tyreek Hill, and Kelce and they're only 10-4. I mean Lynn has Rivers, Gordon, Ekeler, Keenan Allen and Mike Williams and they're 5-9 ffs

 

The whole concept is complete fabrication and not even that interesting a hypothetical tbh

[GunnerBill]

1 minute ago, GoBills808 said:

Exactly why would Anthony Lynn have Mahomes, Watkins, and Woods @ 10-4 right now? Reid has Mahomes, Tyreek Hill, and Kelce and they're only 10-4. I mean Lynn has Rivers, Gordon, Ekeler, Keenan Allen and Mike Williams and they're 5-9 ffs

 

The whole concept is complete fabrication and not even that interesting a hypothetical tbh

 

But they both outperformed Buffalo significantly last year. I don't think looking at one year records is actually that illuminating in this conversation. I disagree on it not being an interesting hypothetical. I think it is. But it is hard to criticise the Bills approach when the evidence suggests that the plan is very much working. There is always more than one way to skin a cat.

[GoBills808]

Just now, GunnerBill said:

 

But they both outperformed Buffalo significantly last year. I don't think looking at one year records is actually that illuminating in this conversation. I disagree on it not being an interesting hypothetical. I think it is. But it is hard to criticise the Bills approach when the evidence suggests that the plan is very much working. There is always more than one way to skin a cat.

I dunno if you guys are just trolling or whatever but come on...it is WAY more illuminating to look at this year than last year, considering last year was ALWAYS going to be the down year for Buffalo as a result of the rebuild. Looking @this year is absolutely a better means of evaluating than last year, wtf this thread is so full of holes the arguments are falling out lmao

[RocCityRoller]

On 12/18/2019 at 3:31 PM, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

I don't know if "the perfect coach for this team" really says anything because he rebuilt the team to fit his plan.    

 

I think the most important thing is he's in the perfect situation for what HE wants to do.    

 

Bill Parcells used to say that Buffalo was a perfect place to be a football coach.............and I think he had in mind exactly what McDermott is doing.

 

It's a market with a fan base/community where the team is immensely valued but also very few distractions for players and has a small and easily manipulated media.

 

NOW add in an ownership group that demands little input into the football ops and is willing to spend a ton of money to give you what you want and you basically have all the tools to succeed.

 

Now if you don't take a holistic view as a football coach...........then maybe a lot of the advantages gained by being in Buffalo turn into negatives.

 

Great post. This is a terrific place to be a football coach, or a football player for all the reasons you mentioned.

 

Less distraction and chance to get into trouble than say Miami, NYC, LA.

 

A place where football is loved and ingrained in the community. A small enough community where a good gesture will be recognized and not lost in the local media.

 

As this team rebuilds a winning culture (yes the 1960's some of the 1980s and the 1990s was a winning culture), players will notice.