Utah John Posted December 18, 2019 Posted December 18, 2019 If you step through the video with as much resolution as you can get, you'll see there is no point at which Phillips is in the neutral zone before the ball is snapped. You know the other teams when they see this film won't care about the officiating BS. They're football people who will see what Phillips did on this play, and they'll be impressed.
CSBill Posted December 18, 2019 Posted December 18, 2019 Honestly, it was about as close as it could be. I slowed it down to frame by frame, and he does move before the ball is snapped, but does not go across the imaginary (and I think that is the key word here) line. I can see why it was called---because of the movement, the video evidence does show he moved before the ball is snapped. And I can see the argument he was not off sides. It is a 50/50 call, this time not in our favor. If it was an opponent that did this, I would easily agree with the call. As a Bills fan, I see it through different lenses. Regardless, he is quick, having a great year, the Bills need to resign him. 4
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted December 18, 2019 Posted December 18, 2019 4 hours ago, Kelly the Dog said: Amazing. Although it evens out when incredibly they didn’t call Dawkins for backpedaling a half second early on a play Yeah I saw that and was awaiting laundry
Not at the table Karlos Posted December 18, 2019 Posted December 18, 2019 Looked like it was timed perfectly live.
Fixxxer Posted December 18, 2019 Posted December 18, 2019 He's in front of the ball and he timed his reaction perfectly, IMO.
Alaska Darin Posted December 18, 2019 Posted December 18, 2019 4 hours ago, billsbackto81 said: Anybody get a view or replay of the Holding call that stopped the clock in the final minute? Curious to see if it was legit. Spain fell backwards and pulled the DLineman down on top of him, right where the RB was tackled. While it was "holding", it literally had zero affect on the outcome of the play. Given the sheer number of times our pass rushers were mugged during the game, there is no reason that call should have been made.
Buffalo_Stampede Posted December 18, 2019 Posted December 18, 2019 Close. I thought it was perfect timing live when it happened. I understand the call though. Sometimes you have to give a ref a break. The facemask on Edmunds was one of the worst calls I've ever seen.
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted December 18, 2019 Posted December 18, 2019 19 minutes ago, Alaska Darin said: Spain fell backwards and pulled the DLineman down on top of him, right where the RB was tackled. While it was "holding", it literally had zero affect on the outcome of the play. Given the sheer number of times our pass rushers were mugged during the game, there is no reason that call should have been made. That play was over in the blink of an eye, with no gain or as I recall a loss. Not to get too crazy on this one, but Was he engaged with an o lineman from the Steeler and driven to the dirt, or engaged with one and he reached out and grabbed another defensive player for an obvious hold? It’s just such an odd play to have a holding call when an RB is smothered that quickly.
Mr. K Posted December 18, 2019 Posted December 18, 2019 (edited) Keep beating offensive lineman off the snap and some buddy is giving you plenty-o-cheddar. Hopefully a home town discount since he loves us so much. Edited December 18, 2019 by Mr. K
PaattMaann Posted December 18, 2019 Posted December 18, 2019 1 hour ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: That play was over in the blink of an eye, with no gain or as I recall a loss. Not to get too crazy on this one, but Was he engaged with an o lineman from the Steeler and driven to the dirt, or engaged with one and he reached out and grabbed another defensive player for an obvious hold? It’s just such an odd play to have a holding call when an RB is smothered that quickly. he was engaged with the defender, who was bulldozing him into the ground, but you can see Spain's arm clearly wrapped around the back of the defender as they go to the ground. Likely a hold as called, because it is technically a hold, but anyone who has ever played football knows Spain wasnt holding this dude, he was holding ON and the defender was driving him into the ground haha 1
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted December 18, 2019 Posted December 18, 2019 (edited) 7 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Looks like good quick play to me. Is off sides crossing the LOS with any part of the body? Sorry to throw some shade here but ..... Definition. In gridiron football, offside is a foul in which a player is on the wrong side of the line of scrimmage when the ball is snapped. Go to 15 seconds and go a frame by frame. He was moving before the ball was snapped. 7 hours ago, Stenbar said: They did not show the replay at all on that during the game when it happened. I think everyone just assumed because he was in there so fast it had to be Offside. Everyone was wrong. That was amazing. That should be allowed to be reviewed also. I say review everything until they get it right. Or review nothing. 7 hours ago, njbuff said: He was literally Bruce Smith on that play. No Offside to be found. Edited December 18, 2019 by SlimShady'sGhost 1
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted December 18, 2019 Posted December 18, 2019 1 minute ago, PaattMaann said: he was engaged with the defender, who was bulldozing him into the ground, but you can see Spain's arm clearly wrapped around the back of the defender as they go to the ground. Likely a hold as called, because it is technically a hold, but anyone who has ever played football knows Spain wasnt holding this dude, he was holding ON and the defender was driving him into the ground haha Thanks, that was my assumption based on what Darin wrote and the way that play played out. Weird time for that flag to fly, but it worked out. Took another 18 months off my life, but whatevs. 1
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted December 18, 2019 Posted December 18, 2019 That pretty impressive, against the Patriots is where we need that kind of play. Brady with throw up his T12 HGH vitamins all over the field. 1
H2o Posted December 18, 2019 Posted December 18, 2019 7 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Indeed. I hope they sent that to the league requesting an explanation. As well as the "facemask" penalty on Edmunds. 2
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted December 18, 2019 Posted December 18, 2019 11 minutes ago, H2o said: As well as the "facemask" penalty on Edmunds. Now that was a Major F... um Malfunction
CLTbills Posted December 18, 2019 Posted December 18, 2019 The TV networks not showing replays of penalties is getting super annoying. Do you think they're trying to "protect" the NFL and its officials? 2 2
Mr. K Posted December 18, 2019 Posted December 18, 2019 12 minutes ago, H2o said: As well as the "facemask" penalty on Edmunds. Still not as bad as the roughing the passer from the AFC Championship last year. Its going to be hard to beat a QB like that next week ?
Giuseppe Tognarelli Posted December 18, 2019 Posted December 18, 2019 To be honest, it looks like he jumps a fraction of a second early. 1
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