Saxum Posted December 18, 2019 Posted December 18, 2019 3 hours ago, CLTbills said: The point is, that McDermott AS A COACH has done more with less. Well he was part of getting less and starting less as QB so he earned his losses.
Saxum Posted December 18, 2019 Posted December 18, 2019 53 minutes ago, BuffaloBills1998 said: If we hired Jim Schwartz that would’ve set the franchise back another 2-3 years. He’s a great DC but a horrible HC I heard the same thing about a Browns Head Coach. You may have heard of him ... Bill Bilicheat. 22 minutes ago, Helpmenow said: Lynn might be fired "Might" like "maybe" has little meaning.
CLTbills Posted December 18, 2019 Posted December 18, 2019 2 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said: And to make matters worse some other new HC playing GM traded what turned out to be the best QB to enter the league in decades to his division rival.? Tough breaks! It's funny the lack of perspective regarding the NFL with so many on this site. I think it's more funny that you don't think Lynn has had way more to work with. Lets see here. Last year, Sean McDermott took a team whose starting QB was the most raw rookie quarterback in the draft (and possibly one of the most raw 1st rd quarterbacks of the last decade) with a top receiver who was an undrafted rookie, with a starting offensive line on which (aside from Dion Dawkins) not ONE of them is a starting-quality player to a 6-10 record. Anthony Lynn has, this year, in what (or at least I've been told this, because it's the "reason" the Bills have won 10 games this year) is a much softer AFC, taken a team that has Phillip Rivers (a first-ballot hall of famer) throwing to Keenan Allen, handing it off to Melvin Gordon and Austin Ekeler, and STUDS on the D-line in Joey Bosa and Melvin Ingram, to a (currently) 5-9 record. If you are going to seriously sit here and tell me that Sean McDermott hasn't achieved more with less, then you are not even being realistic, you just don't like McDermott. And that's OK if you don't. Just come out and say it, don't dance around it. Because it's pretty obvious you have a bias and an agenda because no reasonable person would look at the talent on these two teams over the last three years and come to the conclusion that you seem to have come to. And FYI, the "we didn't draft Mahomes" horse was beaten dead the better part of two years ago. 2
Royale with Cheese Posted December 18, 2019 Posted December 18, 2019 1 hour ago, Limeaid said: That is kind of feeling you get when you are smothered in cheese. My heart started pounding.
BuffaloBills1998 Posted December 18, 2019 Posted December 18, 2019 1 hour ago, Limeaid said: I heard the same thing about a Browns Head Coach. You may have heard of him ... Bill Bilicheat. "Might" like "maybe" has little meaning. To compare Schwartz to Belicheat is asinine. Schwartz is not HC material and that has been proven during his tenure in Detroit. 1
LSHMEAB Posted December 18, 2019 Posted December 18, 2019 1 hour ago, Limeaid said: That is kind of feeling you get when you are smothered in cheese. For some of the Debbie Downers I agree. Their parents made mistake of not using birth control. What in the world are you talking about in this thread?
BuffaloBills1998 Posted December 18, 2019 Posted December 18, 2019 1 hour ago, Phil The Thrill said: I hope not. He’s a good guy and I do think he’s a good coach. For some reason he hasn’t gotten things done in SD If they do indeed fire him I hope pegula would have Beane give him a call and see if he would be interested in coming back to Buffalo
billspro Posted December 18, 2019 Posted December 18, 2019 5 hours ago, Just Joshin' said: So you note that these are career records but subtract the 1 win when Lynn was in Buffalo. They have the same record over the same period. The difference may be that Lynn gets fired this year and McDermott will not. Lynn also had one of the most talented rosters in the NFL. McDermott literally started from the bottom. It’s been amazing to watch a culture and talent rebuild in three years. I hope he’s our coach until he retires.
JerseyBills Posted December 18, 2019 Posted December 18, 2019 Lynn inherited a contender. McD did a rebuild and still has same record. We struck Gold with McD & Beane 1
eball Posted December 18, 2019 Author Posted December 18, 2019 Sometimes you start a thread and get everything you hoped for...some around here are so predictable. 1
ganesh Posted December 18, 2019 Posted December 18, 2019 8 hours ago, CLTbills said: So they essentially have identical records. One coach had Tyrod Taylor one year, and the most “raw”rookie available, and while progressing, is definitely still a young QB learning on the job. The other coach has had Phillip Rivers. Rivers is overrated. I think Ben and Eli from that QB group have had much better careers.
folz Posted December 18, 2019 Posted December 18, 2019 No McDermott? No Beane! No Beane and no McDermott? No good.
Buffalo Barbarian Posted December 18, 2019 Posted December 18, 2019 11 hours ago, eball said: Asking for a friend. Interesting to note: their career W-L records are very similar: Lynn: 26-21 RS, 1-1 PS (1/3 playoff berths) McD: 25-21, 0-1 (2/3 playoff berths) McDermott all day, PROCESS.
Thurman#1 Posted December 18, 2019 Posted December 18, 2019 13 hours ago, eball said: 2017 revisited...McDermott or ALynn for HC?? Seriously? Jeez, is your "friend" not noticing the trajectories of these two teams? You can't compare Ws and Ls here, as McDermott rebuilt and that means a ton of losses. Lynn did not.
Thurman#1 Posted December 18, 2019 Posted December 18, 2019 (edited) 9 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said: Well the Pegula's thought the Bills had grossly underachieved too. Did you forget the "7-9...not good enough" PC after the 2016 season? The narrative that they "lacked talent" emerged only later as a defense mechanism/excuse. The team McD inherited was known for excellent defensive talent and an offense that dominated on the ground and lead the NFL in big plays for 2 straight seasons. Flat-out nonsense. They lacked talent compared to what they were paying. Some good players but not enough, especially for a team that was spending their cap like a team in a Super Bowl window. And yet they didn't have a franchise QB. They didn't have excellent defensive talent, they had three or four good players and a few other decent guys. To remind anyone who might think for an instant that you have a point, let's recap our starters on D that year: Adolphus Washington Kyle Williams Marcell Dareus / Leger Douzable Preston Brown Lorenzo Alexander Zach Brown Jerry Hughes Ronald Darby Stephon Gilmore Corey Graham Corey White That's not excellent defensive talent. It's Stephon Gilmore, Hughes, Kyle Williams on the downslope, Dareus after he'd stopped being able to rush the passer and was being paid too much ... and a bunch of players, some decent, some not. That offense was just not good. 16th in the league and not explosive in the least. When we got behind we were out of the game. They absolutely lacked talent, most particularly at the one place you absolutely have to have it, behind center. And when they then lost Eric Wood to career-ending injury and Incognito to mental problems they were even further behind the eight-ball. They could have rebuilt with no QB and serious cap problems and no franchise QB. Thank God they were too smart for that. Instead they rebuilt, which brought them enough cap relief and draft capital to draft Allen, who might actually become a franchise QB, something Tyrod was in zero danger of ever becoming. Edited December 18, 2019 by Thurman#1
Thurman#1 Posted December 18, 2019 Posted December 18, 2019 10 hours ago, GunnerBill said: No it wasn't. The full sentence was "when you have your guy you don't let him leave the building." The Pegulas decided Rex was the guy before the leave the building quote. It is one of those long misunderstood stories. Good point. Nice observation.
Thurman#1 Posted December 18, 2019 Posted December 18, 2019 11 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said: No, no........say it right.........McD had Patrick Mahomes in hand........and traded him away..........with Tyrod Taylor as his #1 QB. A lot has to play out right long term after you make the most egregious error in franchise history. Hopefully it does but it's going to take more than losing a couple of road wildcard games..............gotta' raise that Lombardi before Mahomes does. And yet more nonsense. Tre White and Josh Allen could easily turn out to be a better combo than the singleton Mahomes, particularly without a year to sit behind Alex Smith while Andy Reid whispered in his ear. A lot has to play out right long term ... either way. When KC gets a Lombardi doesn't matter. It only matters that the Bills become consistently competitive for a championship. As McDermott has pointed out several times, he had too much to do laying the groundwork for getting this team headed in the right direction. Which we now see he did extremely well. He's said he didn't have time to scout QBs as thoroughly as he needed to take a chance on one that year. And he had Whaley as his GM, a guy who'd been all in on the EJ Manuel decision, certainly not a guy you would trust to pick your QB if he did trust him, and he clearly didn't as we discovered the day after the draft.
ALF Posted December 18, 2019 Posted December 18, 2019 It would have been nice to keep Marrone and Jim Schwartz for another year or two to avoid the Rex Ryan disaster.
Aireskoi Posted December 18, 2019 Posted December 18, 2019 McDermott and Beane are doing something that few could do. They're changing the paradigm in Buffalo. No offense to Lynn, but Sean is exactly the right man for this.
BurpleBull Posted December 18, 2019 Posted December 18, 2019 A lot of you mocking Lynn now, mocked the McDermott hire at the time if we're going to be honest. A lot of you wanted the "hot" candidate...I think it was Kyle Shanahan at the time.
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