2017 revisited...McDermott or ALynn for HC??

[GunnerBill]

2 hours ago, eball said:

 

This was confirmed long ago.  "Don't let him leave the building."

 

No it wasn't. The full sentence was "when you have your guy you don't let him leave the building." 

 

The Pegulas decided Rex was the guy before the leave the building quote. It is one of those long misunderstood stories. 

[FireChans]

1 minute ago, Phil The Thrill said:

This is a really simplistic take on things.  There’s no guarantee that Mahomes turns out to be the same QB in Buffalo that he is in KC.  
 

Like Lamar, and even Josh to an extent, Mahomes went to a great situation on KC.  He had a perfect mentor alex Smith, was able to sit a year and learn the offense while working for one of the great coaches. Plus he had a lot of talent surrounding him on offense.

 

He wouldn’t have any of this in Buffalo.  

We had Tyrod Taylor on the roster. Mahomes might not have started.

 

Mahomes would have benefitted from having a great defense, which he certainly has not had in KC. He may not have thrown 50 TDS, but he certainly would have still been a great winning QB.

[Andrew Son]

46 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

The Chargers were terrible in 2015 and 2016.

 

38 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

And to make matters worse some other new HC playing GM traded what turned out to be the best QB to enter the league in decades to his division rival.?

 

Tough breaks!

 

It's funny the lack of perspective regarding the NFL with so many on this site.

 

 

This isn’t necessarily accurate.  We could go name for name down those rosters and the talent would match up favorably with most of the league.

 

They underperformed, which is why the coaching position was open, and were also ravaged by injury- as they always seem to be.

[CorkScrewHill]

1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

No, no........say it right.........McD had Patrick Mahomes in hand........and traded him away..........with Tyrod Taylor as his #1 QB. 

 

A lot has to play out right long term after you make the most egregious error in franchise history.

 

Hopefully it does but it's going to take more than losing a couple of road wildcard games..............gotta' raise that Lombardi before Mahomes does.

 

 

Everyone could have had Mahommes in hand .. if the Chiefs or others could look into the future they would have traded all their draft capital to get him. he is an amazing Quarterback, but the fact is mcDermott was new on the scene and did not have the front office in place that he could trust and he is not an expert on quarterbacks .. he is a D-minded coach. It makes perfect sense that he passed on patrick, though of course in hindsight....

[FireChans]

4 minutes ago, CorkScrewHill said:

Everyone could have had Mahommes in hand .. if the Chiefs or others could look into the future they would have traded all their draft capital to get him. he is an amazing Quarterback, but the fact is mcDermott was new on the scene and did not have the front office in place that he could trust and he is not an expert on quarterbacks .. he is a D-minded coach. It makes perfect sense that he passed on patrick, though of course in hindsight....

Sure, it was reasonable to pass on Mahomes/Watson. It was also reasonable to pass on Wilson. It was reasonable to pass on Bridgewater. It was reasonable to not draft a QB in the first round each year we didn’t do that for almost a decade.

 

The problem is you need to take risks in the NFL to win. It’s gambling. It’s reasonable to not play blackjack but that means you’ll never win.

Edited December 18, 2019 by FireChans

[GunnerBill]

I don't dislike Lynn. I think he was a credible candidate here and elsewhere even before the Bills made him the sacrificial lamb interim and then hung him out to dry while Terry hid in Florida. And then when that went belly up he sent Doug Whaley out for the "not privy" disaster. 

 

That said I had decided a year before Rex Ryan was fired (when Terry was absolutely considering whether he should make him a 1 and done coach) that Sean McDermott was the guy I wanted the Bills to hire. We were lucky that the Panthers made the Superbowl the year before because waiting until Feb to get your guy and missing the Shrine Game and Senior Bowl and the best availability of assistants does put a lot of teams off hiring guys. It meant McDermott was still there on the market in 2017 for the Bills. 

 

If someone wants to try and find it there is a post somewhere in the archives of this board from mid 2016 where I said the two guys that were for me head and shoulders the best current coordinator HC candidates were Josh McDaniels and Sean McDermott. 

 

Great hire. Doing an outstanding job. Gonna be here a long time.

 

As for Lynn's seat it is definitely warm. Not all on him for sure and it looks like they might ditch Rivers and stick one more year with Lynn and Telesco but if they do that without a Quarterback (or with Tyrod) then they are just delaying the inevitable for a year. If they keep Lynn and ditch Rivers they better have a credible plan for QB in 2020. 

[Phil The Thrill]

14 minutes ago, FireChans said:

We had Tyrod Taylor on the roster. Mahomes might not have started.

 

Mahomes would have benefitted from having a great defense, which he certainly has not had in KC. He may not have thrown 50 TDS, but he certainly would have still been a great winning QB.

He would be a miracle worker if he put up good numbers throwing to Deonte Thompson, Zay Jones, and Andre Holmes.  I don’t agree Mahomes would be the same QB.  This is why these people lamenting they past like this is just futile.  

12 minutes ago, CorkScrewHill said:

Everyone could have had Mahommes in hand .. if the Chiefs or others could look into the future they would have traded all their draft capital to get him. he is an amazing Quarterback, but the fact is mcDermott was new on the scene and did not have the front office in place that he could trust and he is not an expert on quarterbacks .. he is a D-minded coach. It makes perfect sense that he passed on patrick, though of course in hindsight....

Right there are a lot of circumstances.  I think it’s very simplistic to assume that Mahomes would relocate the success he had in KC.  

[Bangarang]

If only we hired Jim Schwartz, Hue Jackson would be our OC, EJ would be coming off an MVP season and we’d be the 1 seed.

Edited December 18, 2019 by Bangarang

[Phil The Thrill]

2 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

If only we hired Jim Schwartz, Hue Jackson would be our OC, EJ would be coming off an MVP season and we’d be the 1 seed.

And Sammy would be a “generational talent”

[C.Biscuit97]

3 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

If only we hired Jim Schwartz, Hue Jackson would be our OC, EJ would be coming off an MVP season and we’d be the 1 seed.

Allen was given more of a chance to succeed than EJ!!! ?

1 minute ago, Phil The Thrill said:

And Sammy would be a “generational talent”

Sammy without injuries would have.  He played in a high school offense here and was really good.  He broke his foot and rushed back. 

[LSHMEAB]

2 hours ago, Putin said:

I don’t think McD gets enough credit for building a championship defense ,  

GO BILLS !!!!!

McDermott absolutely does not get the credit he deserves for the Bills revival. 

 

We talk about the QB; lot's of good, but still a few question marks.

 

We talk about Beane; lots of good, but a number of misses.

 

Not to say that Allen won't get there or Beane won't prove to be a great GM. But if we're talking about RESULTS, McDermott is the guy. 9 wins with junk in 2017. 6 wins with TRASH in 2018. 10-4 with an average roster in 2019. He gets a (maybe deserved) bad rap for being too conservative, but all his teams do is win more games than they're "supposed" to. Almost always wins highly contested games which past teams would find a way to lose. When was the last time the Bills had teams you "trusted" to avoid a "Billsy" loss late in the 4th QTR? He's been winning these games since day 1. McDermott is far and away the most PROVEN element of the Bills resurgence.

[BuffaloBills1998]

15 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

If only we hired Jim Schwartz, Hue Jackson would be our OC, EJ would be coming off an MVP season and we’d be the 1 seed.

If we hired Jim Schwartz that would’ve set the franchise back another 2-3 years. He’s a great DC but a horrible HC

[KD in CA]

4 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said:

I feel like if Lynn was the HC, Tyrod would still be our QB and we would be "in the hunt" right now at 7-7.

 

That's perfect.

 

So many flashbacks to the Bills being on the bottom right corner of the AFC playoff graphic, looking up at a couple 8-6 teams on the 'in the hunt' list.

[Phil The Thrill]

19 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Allen was given more of a chance to succeed than EJ!!! ?

Sammy without injuries would have.  He played in a high school offense here and was really good.  He broke his foot and rushed back. 

Allen was a much better QB.  He deserved more of a chance 

[Mike in Horseheads]

1 hour ago, FireChans said:

Well of course, the biggest goal in the NFL is to gain draft picks and flexibility. The Dolphins are dominating this year!

If your the original minus the "s" glad to see your the same DB

[BADOLBILZ]

42 minutes ago, SWATeam said:

 

 

This isn’t necessarily accurate.  We could go name for name down those rosters and the talent would match up favorably with most of the league.

 

They underperformed, which is why the coaching position was open, and were also ravaged by injury- as they always seem to be.

 

 

Well the Pegula's thought the Bills had grossly underachieved too.    Did you forget the "7-9...not good enough" PC after the 2016 season?

 

The narrative that they "lacked talent" emerged only later as a defense mechanism/excuse.

 

The team McD inherited was known for excellent defensive talent and an offense that dominated on the ground and lead the NFL in big plays for 2 straight seasons.    

[Andrew Son]

1 minute ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Well the Pegula's thought the Bills had grossly underachieved too.    Did you forget the "7-9...not good enough" PC after the 2016 season?

 

The narrative that they "lacked talent" emerged only later as a defense mechanism/excuse.

 

The team McD inherited was known for excellent defensive talent and an offense that dominated on the ground and lead the NFL in big plays for 2 straight seasons.    

Bills did underachieve, and did have talent, as so many have pointed out as McD “gutting the roster.”

 

And since, he has only ended the 17 year playoff drought by securing two playoff berths in three years.  Success by any measure.

[Helpmenow]

Lynn  might be fired

[Saxum]

4 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said:

I feel like if Lynn was the HC, Tyrod would still be our QB and we would be "in the hunt" right now at 7-7.

 

That is kind of feeling you get when you are smothered in cheese.

3 hours ago, WhoTom said:

In retrospect, I'm glad they hired Rex when they did. Although he set the franchise back a few years, it set the stage for the current front office, and they've rebounded quite nicely.

 

Sometimes, a mistake is the best thing that can happen to you.

 

For some of the Debbie Downers I agree.  Their parents made mistake of not using birth control.

[Phil The Thrill]

3 minutes ago, Helpmenow said:

Lynn  might be fired

I hope not.  He’s a good guy and I do think he’s a good coach.  For some reason he hasn’t gotten things done in SD