New NFL Trend - Adding QB Rushing and Passing TD’s together?

[Phil The Thrill]

Reading several articles today and some reporters are saying that Lamar Jackson has 40 TD’s And 6 INT this season so far.  I knew that this didn’t sound quite right, so I looked at they were adding his rushing TD’s to his passing TD’s.  I saw this done by a few reporters.

So considering that QB’s are scoring more TD’s on the ground, is this going to be a new thing?

 

Ironically, I’ve seen very few people credit Josh Allen with 25 TD’s and 8 INT’s. 

[Nanker]

Can’t wait to play the birds in the AFC Championship Game in 2020.

[RiotAct]

Just now, Nanker said:

Can’t wait to play the birds in the AFC Championship Game in 2020.

Yup - only about six weeks to go

[Rc2catch]

I don’t think it will be an official category kinda thing. But they been doing it with running backs for a long time. Rushing and receiving. Nobody ever said Curtis Martin finished the year with 1200 rushing yard and 10td’s and added in another 600 receiving with 6 td’s.

it just became 1800 total yards with 16 today touchdowns kinda thing 

[Johnnycage46]

Makes sense.  TDs are TDs.  If a QB puts up 40 TDs that is a very good/great season regardless of whether it was passing or running.

[BADOLBILZ]

14 minutes ago, Phil The Thrill said:

Reading several articles today and some reporters are saying that Lamar Jackson has 40 TD’s And 6 INT this season so far.  I knew that this didn’t sound quite right, so I looked at they were adding his rushing TD’s to his passing TD’s.  I saw this done by a few reporters.

So considering that QB’s are scoring more TD’s on the ground, is this going to be a new thing?

 

Ironically, I’ve seen very few people credit Josh Allen with 25 TD’s and 8 INT’s. 

 

 

Back when Roman and later Lynn with Roman's playbook were here and the Bills offense was trampling teams on the ground Tyrod Taylor put up 24 TD and 6 int and 23 TD and 6 int.    But we grossly underrated our own offense because we were consumed with passer efficiency and not having 300 yard games.    Now Josh Allen does similar stuff in a less effective offense(but opposite a good defense) and people want credit given where it's due.

[theAteam]

I think they should be included but I feel you'll have to include fumbles (or at least fumbles lost).

 

 

[whorlnut]

5 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Back when Roman and later Lynn with Roman's playbook were here and the Bills offense was trampling teams on the ground Tyrod Taylor put up 24 TD and 6 int and 23 TD and 6 int.    But we grossly underrated our own offense because we were consumed with passer efficiency and not having 300 yard games.    Now Josh Allen does similar stuff in a less effective offense(but opposite a good defense) and people want credit given where it's due.

How many games did Tyrod Taylor win when he was down in the fourth quarter?  I’ll wait...

Edited December 14, 2019 by whorlnut

[rayray808]

I love big TD's

[Rc2catch]

11 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Back when Roman and later Lynn with Roman's playbook were here and the Bills offense was trampling teams on the ground Tyrod Taylor put up 24 TD and 6 int and 23 TD and 6 int.    But we grossly underrated our own offense because we were consumed with passer efficiency and not having 300 yard games.    Now Josh Allen does similar stuff in a less effective offense(but opposite a good defense) and people want credit given where it's due.

Come on.. Tyrod couldn’t pass. At all. Or see the field. At all.  By the end he was scared to death to even try a pass. All he cared about was not throwing a pick. He was a horrible quarterback. We tease Lamar for being a running back but literally that was Tyrod. 

[The Wiz]

I have seen Allen credited the same way, not necessarily on game day stats, but he has had the same graphic shown for his total TDs. 

Edited December 14, 2019 by The Wiz

[whatdrought]

It’s not a bad idea, I think, because every time they run a td in, that’s one less they can throw. It’s just a counter to the fact that fans like to grab one stat and build a take on it.

 

I like the combined, but you do that, you probably also have to combine interceptions and fumbles lost into one turnover catagory. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

35 minutes ago, theAteam said:

I think they should be included but I feel you'll have to include fumbles (or at least fumbles lost).

 

Yes, they should.  Total TDs, total turnovers, and total yards.

 

It's actually a point I've been pondering because leading up to the 2018 draft, I did this whole assessment of what characteristics defined a "successful NFL QB" by which I meant one good enough for the team to win with given a good D and some pieces around him.  I came up with 4 criteria, all based on passing: completion %, YPA, TD/INT and a floor for passing yards.

 

Now we are seeing successful offenses where that floor isn't or is barely met.  I think part of the answer is when there's a strong contribution from QB rushing yards and TDs, and of course with those may come fumbles.  So it all must be taken into account.

[BADOLBILZ]

35 minutes ago, whorlnut said:

How many games did Tyrod Taylor win when he was down in the fourth quarter?  I’ll wait...

 

 

Not many but that Bills team had the 26th ranked defense in DVOA.    

 

Still alive for the playoffs Taylor lead the Bills to a team record offensive yardage performance and a last minute TD to take the lead against the Dolphins in Rex last game.     The Bills D promptly gave up quick big plays and a game tying FG for Miami as time expired.    Tyrod then lead the Bills to a chip shot FG in OT to win it.   Carpenter missed.   Defense promptly gave up a winning score on the next drive.   The next week TYROD got benched.

 

I'm a big Josh Allen fan but if he had the 26th ranked defense opposite him then I am afraid he could be a developmental mess at this point.   It helps to have one of the 2-3 best defenses in football across from you so that you can be driving to win a game late at home when you've only put up 10-17 points thru the first 56 minutes of the game.

[Jauronimo]

The media love affair with Lamar Jackson is keeping a lot recovering Mayfield addicts busy.  The last thing they want to do is encourage anyone to piss on the Lamar parade by pointing out that hes still primarily a runner.  You do NOT want to talk about how Lamar has the fewest passing yards of any QB outside the hash marks to his wideouts and is almost exclusively getting it done with his TEs.   You definitely do not want to suggest hes a runner first and passer second.  

 

No idea why.

3 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Not many but that Bills team had the 26th ranked defense in DVOA.    

 

Still alive for the playoffs Taylor lead the Bills to a team record offensive yardage performance and a last minute TD to take the lead against the Dolphins in Rex last game.     The Bills D promptly gave up quick big plays and a game tying FG for Miami as time expired.    Tyrod then lead the Bills to a chip shot FG in OT to win it.   Carpenter missed.   Defense promptly gave up a winning score on the next drive.   The next week TYROD got benched.

 

I'm a big Josh Allen fan but if he had the 26th ranked defense opposite him then I am afraid he could be a developmental mess at this point.   It helps to have one of the 2-3 best defenses in football across from you so that you can be driving to win a game late at home when you've only put up 10-17 points thru the first 56 minutes of the game.

Completely agree.

 

I see a few parallels between Russell Wilson and Squawks.  He was SO close to being benched while the team endured long stretches of offensive futility.  He made clutch plays when it mattered and was backstopped by a historically great defense.  A few lucky bounces, some hail marys, and a great defense kept the Ws coming and bought him extremely valuable time to develop as a QB.

[SinceThe70s]

7 minutes ago, Jauronimo said:

The media love affair with Lamar Jackson is keeping a lot recovering Mayfield addicts busy.  The last thing they want to do is encourage anyone to piss on the Lamar parade by pointing out that hes still primarily a runner.  You do NOT want to talk about how Lamar has the fewest passing yards of any QB outside the hash marks to his wideouts and is almost exclusively getting it done with his TEs.   You definitely do not want to suggest hes a runner first and passer second.  

 

No idea why.

 

 

I heard a great comment on my drive home today to the effect that nobody questioned Lamar's ability to be successful in the offense he ran at Louisville. What everyone questioned was whether that offense (and by extension Lamar) could be successful in the NFL. 

[BADOLBILZ]

37 minutes ago, Rc2catch said:

Come on.. Tyrod couldn’t pass. At all. Or see the field. At all.  By the end he was scared to death to even try a pass. All he cared about was not throwing a pick. He was a horrible quarterback. We tease Lamar for being a running back but literally that was Tyrod. 

 

 

The problem is your unnecessary hyperbole.   Tyrod was NOT literally a RB.   Tyrod averaged 8.0 yards per pass attempt in 2015.   But then people said he could only throw deep because he was too short to see over the middle and couldn't survive with a short passing game.  So he focused on that and was efficient leading the team to the 7th most points and fewest turnovers in the NFL thru 15 games.......despite inexplicably losing his deep ball accuracy.  (Sound familiar?)   Then the narrative was that he didn't put up 300 yard games and that he didn't lead the team from behind when the Bills defense couldn't hold leads when he did.

 

Ultimately he wasn't good enough and he lost his edge playing the Bills-prescribed "not to lose" game.

 

I am a big Josh Allen fan..........but it's just funny watching him put up Tyrod-like numbers and have the same fanbase be clamoring for him to be appreciated for things they would never give Tyrod credit for.  

[GG]

2 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

The problem is your unnecessary hyperbole.   Tyrod was NOT literally a RB.   Tyrod averaged 8.0 yards per pass attempt in 2015.   But then people said he could only throw deep because he was too short to see over the middle and couldn't survive with a short passing game.  So he focused on that and was efficient leading the team to the 7th most points and fewest turnovers in the NFL thru 15 games.......despite inexplicably losing his deep ball accuracy.  (Sound familiar?)   Then the narrative was that he didn't put up 300 yard games and that he didn't lead the team from behind when the Bills defense couldn't hold leads when he did.

 

Ultimately he wasn't good enough and he lost his edge playing the Bills-prescribed "not to lose" game.

 

I am a big Josh Allen fan..........but it's just funny watching him put up Tyrod-like numbers and have the same fanbase be clamoring for him to be appreciated for things they would never give Tyrod credit for.  

Hyperbole is your continued twisting of the narrative when it comes to Tyrod, such as his benching  by 2 coaches in Buffalo and a very quick yank in Cleveland.   

 

His limitations as a QB were plainly evident, and that's why there was always a short hook. 

 

Just that you have to dig up the sole Miami game as evidence of the defense blowing his comeback bid, but ignoring other 1 score games where he came up woefully short is emblematic of his stature as a front running QB.   Once the defenses got tape on him, he was easy to defend.  

 

The only reason Allen gets a pass is that he was known to be a project and has been improving, while Tyrod never got better after his first year in Buffalo, and was regressing.  

 

So yeah, Allen benefits from having a great defense to back him (which I recall you never thought that McDermott could field), Tyrod had a worse time facing top defenses as well. 

[BADOLBILZ]

27 minutes ago, Jauronimo said:

I see a few parallels between Russell Wilson and Squawks.  He was SO close to being benched while the team endured long stretches of offensive futility.  He made clutch plays when it mattered and was backstopped by a historically great defense.  A few lucky bounces, some hail marys, and a great defense kept the Ws coming and bought him extremely valuable time to develop as a QB.

 

Yeah early in the season he was reminding me of young John Elway wearing teams out chasing him around for 3 quarters and then taking advantage of their gassed state late in games to dominate them in the 4th quarter.     But since the Patriots debacle he's been playing more like that early career Russell Wilson.   That's good enough with a great D and like you said that buys him the valuable time he wouldn't be getting if he was playing opposite a garbage defense like that the Bills had in 2015-2016.   

[Phil The Thrill]

47 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Back when Roman and later Lynn with Roman's playbook were here and the Bills offense was trampling teams on the ground Tyrod Taylor put up 24 TD and 6 int and 23 TD and 6 int.    But we grossly underrated our own offense because we were consumed with passer efficiency and not having 300 yard games.    Now Josh Allen does similar stuff in a less effective offense(but opposite a good defense) and people want credit given where it's due.

Much like Ryan Fitzpatrick Or even Kyle Orton for 2 season, I think the Bills went as far as they could with Tyrod.  

43 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Not many but that Bills team had the 26th ranked defense in DVOA.    

 

Still alive for the playoffs Taylor lead the Bills to a team record offensive yardage performance and a last minute TD to take the lead against the Dolphins in Rex last game.     The Bills D promptly gave up quick big plays and a game tying FG for Miami as time expired.    Tyrod then lead the Bills to a chip shot FG in OT to win it.   Carpenter missed.   Defense promptly gave up a winning score on the next drive.   The next week TYROD got benched.

 

I'm a big Josh Allen fan but if he had the 26th ranked defense opposite him then I am afraid he could be a developmental mess at this point.   It helps to have one of the 2-3 best defenses in football across from you so that you can be driving to win a game late at home when you've only put up 10-17 points thru the first 56 minutes of the game.

That Miami game was a gutsy performance and perhaps Tyrod’s best a Buffalo Bill.  It too bad that it’s all but forgotten