PFF's anti-Josh Allen agenda continues, calls Duck Hodges "the better QB"

[Thurman#1]

14 hours ago, GoBills808 said:

SAMPLE. SIZE.

 

 

Yes.

 

Sample size is a big deal if you're making long-term predictions and thinking you're correctly evaluating a guy's possibilities in the future. They weren't.

 

They were simply saying that with what we'd seen, Hodges was playing better so far. It was fair enough. They weren't even saying Hodges would be better this week. Just that so far he had been.

 

 

13 hours ago, MJS said:

What is Tre White ranked by PFF?

 

 

Very very highly.

 

"According to PFF, White leads the NFL in three major pass-defending analytical categories: Snaps per reception allowed (25.0), snaps per target (12.5), and yards per snap (0.43). "

 

https://billswire.usatoday.com/2018/11/29/pro-football-focus-buffalo-bills-pff-tre-white-is-a-nightmare-for-opponents/

 

They also had him as one of the top 25 NFL players under 25 years old during the offseason.

 

https://billswire.usatoday.com/2019/05/17/pff-pro-football-focus-tredavious-tre-white-top-25-sean-mcdermott/

Edited December 18, 2019 by Thurman#1

[Thurman#1]

14 hours ago, dneveu said:

 

Chan did a good job without a lot of talent.  But people really overrate those offenses that he had.  2011 was the best Gailey offense - 14th in points and 14th in yards (The only year his O was in the top half of the league) and a ton of turnovers that didn't help the defense.  The bad defense that everyone complains about was tied for 5th in the league with 31 takeaways, and even scored 5 TDs (6 if you count a PR by Leodis).

 

Fitz and the vaunted Chan Gailey O everyone loves so much gave the ball back 30 times.  I'm just sick of the revisionist history of him leading fitz to this like juggernaut offense that was held back by the defense.  They were a bad team - on both sides of the ball.  Maybe slightly moreso on the defense but several losses that year are completely on the Gailey Offense.

 

 

That defense had a lot of takeaways but was 26th in yards and 30th in points. They were bad. A lot of turnovers are good, but not if that's the only thing you're doing well. The offense that years was 16th in DVOA and the defense 23rd. That defense was not good.

 

And the offense had two first rounders, Spiller and Wood, and a 2nd in Levitre, and nobody else drafted above the 3rd by the Bills or anyone else, while the D had two 1sts, Dareus and Nick Barnett, and four 2nds in Dwan Edwards, Kelsay, Drayton Florense and Jairus Byrd. They'd put more resources into the defense and yet the offense was better. And with an OL of Levitre, Wood, Chad Rinehart, Craig Urbik and Erik Pears, producing decently was pretty impressive. Levitre and Wood were good, but the others were at absolute best journeymen.

 

Chan really did a fine job with that group and on offense generally.

[CSBill]

13 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

It's a good question, but I think the bottom line was that Marrone, who was on board as HC, simply didn't value Fitzy very much or want him.

He planned to install a WCO and Fitzy was pretty much a lifetime EP QB.

 

Now, fundamentally, the plays are the plays and I think Fitzy could have picked up the WCO terminology pretty durn quick, but I think between planning to draft EJ and Marrone planning to bring in a different offensive system, they really wanted a different QB and weren't going to make Fitz a decent offer, with or without the prank phone call.

 

So they went for Kolb, the bathmat took him out, and we wound up starting Thad Lewis for 5 games and Jeff Tuel for 1.  Marvelous.

 

Oh yes! That scene in our long national nightmare is all coming back to me now.

 

Poor Jeff Tuel [for those that don't know, he was Peterman before there was a Peterman--but the P-man took it to an entirely different level],  we were beating the Chiefs and about to add to the lead (they were one of the top teams that year, we were still very alive for a playoff spot), Tuel has to start, is managing the game, he's is doing well, we lead at the half, late in the 3rd an we're driving to inside the 5 yard line, we're about to score and add to the lead, and then he throws a horrendous interception that is returned 99 yards for a TD. Game over, season over--all in 10 seconds.

Edited December 18, 2019 by CSBill

[Albany,n.y.]

Any Allen detractors need to read this.  I know the non-subscribers can't open the link, but this is the part about Allen in the write-up from The Athletic:  https://theathletic.com/1465285/2019/12/17/bills-all-22-review-josh-allen-does-the-little-things-and-cody-ford-has-his-best-game-of-the-season/

1) Allen flips the script once again

It shouldn’t be a surprise by now because of how often Josh Allen does this sort of thing. For the fifth or sixth time in his young career, Allen turned a notable weakness in his game into a non-factor the following week. Allen’s development is ongoing, showing that he isn’t stuck in his ways. He makes changes to be a better asset to his team and to help move the ball down the field more effectively. While the defense deserves a heap of praise for the Bills’ success this season, Allen does too for his nonstop tinkering.

The previous week, the Ravens seemed to find a way to turn the clock back on Allen. They made him nervous, he panicked in the pocket more than he has in the last two months and, worse, he hung onto the ball far too long. So, Allen went back to the drawing board. His processing speed, against an aggressive Steelers defense, was better than it’s been all season. He saw things well ahead of the snap, he made quick decisions and he didn’t allow the Steelers’ pass rushers to control the game. Last week against Baltimore, the average time it took Allen to throw, scramble or get sacked was 2.93 in 50 dropbacks — one of his highest single-game averages of the season. In 30 dropbacks against Pittsburgh, Allen cut that down by almost half a second, averaging 2.48 seconds before the throw, scramble or sack. In the Ravens game alone, there were 20 separate plays where Allen held onto the ball for at least three seconds before making a decision or getting sacked.

One glance at Allen’s traditional stat line against Pittsburgh might be underwhelming. Reviewing the film and watching Allen’s decisiveness and ball placement revealed a bit more. Allen was confident, he didn’t allow the Steelers to do what they wanted defensively and his execution of the game plan removed the ball-hawking Minkah Fitzpatrick from the game. On some of his more significant pass plays, Allen’s eyes moved Fitzpatrick away from his real target. We all remember the post-Renegade deep ball to John Brown –Fitzpatrick would have been there had Allen not given a long look right at the beginning of the play. Similarly on the Tyler Kroft touchdown, Allen froze safety Terrell Edmunds in place by looking left before going to his real read on the right and firing a dart for the go-ahead score.

These, along with the pre-snap modifications and quickened processing time post-snap, are next-level quarterbacking improvements. You see a line of 13 for 25 for 139 yards on the box score, but when you remove drops (3), throwaways (2) and passes tipped at the line of scrimmage (3), Allen’s adjusted completion rate is 76.5 percent. If Allen can be consistent with this style of play, the Bills are onto something with their second-year player.

[H2o]

25 minutes ago, Albany,n.y. said:

Any Allen detractors need to read this.  I know the non-subscribers can't open the link, but this is the part about Allen in the write-up from The Athletic:  https://theathletic.com/1465285/2019/12/17/bills-all-22-review-josh-allen-does-the-little-things-and-cody-ford-has-his-best-game-of-the-season/

1) Allen flips the script once again

It shouldn’t be a surprise by now because of how often Josh Allen does this sort of thing. For the fifth or sixth time in his young career, Allen turned a notable weakness in his game into a non-factor the following week. Allen’s development is ongoing, showing that he isn’t stuck in his ways. He makes changes to be a better asset to his team and to help move the ball down the field more effectively. While the defense deserves a heap of praise for the Bills’ success this season, Allen does too for his nonstop tinkering.

The previous week, the Ravens seemed to find a way to turn the clock back on Allen. They made him nervous, he panicked in the pocket more than he has in the last two months and, worse, he hung onto the ball far too long. So, Allen went back to the drawing board. His processing speed, against an aggressive Steelers defense, was better than it’s been all season. He saw things well ahead of the snap, he made quick decisions and he didn’t allow the Steelers’ pass rushers to control the game. Last week against Baltimore, the average time it took Allen to throw, scramble or get sacked was 2.93 in 50 dropbacks — one of his highest single-game averages of the season. In 30 dropbacks against Pittsburgh, Allen cut that down by almost half a second, averaging 2.48 seconds before the throw, scramble or sack. In the Ravens game alone, there were 20 separate plays where Allen held onto the ball for at least three seconds before making a decision or getting sacked.

One glance at Allen’s traditional stat line against Pittsburgh might be underwhelming. Reviewing the film and watching Allen’s decisiveness and ball placement revealed a bit more. Allen was confident, he didn’t allow the Steelers to do what they wanted defensively and his execution of the game plan removed the ball-hawking Minkah Fitzpatrick from the game. On some of his more significant pass plays, Allen’s eyes moved Fitzpatrick away from his real target. We all remember the post-Renegade deep ball to John Brown –Fitzpatrick would have been there had Allen not given a long look right at the beginning of the play. Similarly on the Tyler Kroft touchdown, Allen froze safety Terrell Edmunds in place by looking left before going to his real read on the right and firing a dart for the go-ahead score.

These, along with the pre-snap modifications and quickened processing time post-snap, are next-level quarterbacking improvements. You see a line of 13 for 25 for 139 yards on the box score, but when you remove drops (3), throwaways (2) and passes tipped at the line of scrimmage (3), Allen’s adjusted completion rate is 76.5 percent. If Allen can be consistent with this style of play, the Bills are onto something with their second-year player.

Thanks, but you can bet the Nancy's are just around the corner waiting to come out like this....

[Stank_Nasty]

6 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

They were simply saying that with what we'd seen, Hodges was playing better so far. It was fair enough. They weren't even saying Hodges would be better this week. Just that so far he had been.

 

Stating that without any context of who has played who and the fact that it was only 3 games is stupid and inaccurate. 
 

why do you keep arguing that point? It wasn’t a fair assessment. It was completely foolish and any “joe fan” that had watched who pittsburgh had played and how Hodges had attained his numbers should know it was a stupid comment. 
 

Edited December 18, 2019 by Stank_Nasty

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

5 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

That defense had a lot of takeaways but was 26th in yards and 30th in points. They were bad. A lot of turnovers are good, but not if that's the only thing you're doing well. The offense that years was 16th in DVOA and the defense 23rd. That defense was not good.

 

And the offense had two first rounders, Spiller and Wood, and a 2nd in Levitre, and nobody else drafted above the 3rd by the Bills or anyone else, while the D had two 1sts, Dareus and Nick Barnett, and four 2nds in Dwan Edwards, Kelsay, Drayton Florense and Jairus Byrd. They'd put more resources into the defense and yet the offense was better. And with an OL of Levitre, Wood, Chad Rinehart, Craig Urbik and Erik Pears, producing decently was pretty impressive. Levitre and Wood were good, but the others were at absolute best journeymen.

 

Chan really did a fine job with that group and on offense generally.

 

I don't even disagree that he did well with what was there.  But i don't think that was a good offense.  

[buffaloboyinATL]

16 hours ago, Marvlevydraftdaygenius said:

I was told that Chris Collinsworth is part owner of that.  And that is true now you know why they are so bias against Josh.

it is true.

[Marvlevydraftdaygenius]

2 hours ago, buffaloboyinATL said:

it is true.

Well there you go if you want to see who PFF has to say about a player than why go to the website just tune into Sunday night football.

[Marvlevydraftdaygenius]

2 hours ago, dneveu said:

 

I don't even disagree that he did well with what was there.  But i don't think that was a good offense.  

Chan's defense was the main reason why he lost his job.  Andy Reid in KC is basically running his offense in Kc now if only he hired Dave from the beginning as Defensive coordinator gave Dave at least two years.  Because it was Dave that drafted Gimore and brought Mario Williams to town. 

[GoBills808]

2 hours ago, Stank_Nasty said:

Stating that without any context of who has played who and the fact that it was only 3 games is stupid and inaccurate. 
 

why do you keep arguing that point? It wasn’t a fair assessment. It was completely foolish and any “joe fan” that had watched who pittsburgh had played and how Hodges had attained his numbers should know it was a stupid comment. 
 

That's the point. If you agreed w/PFF's take that Hodges was playing better than Allen it only meant you saw their lines and didn't watch their games. It was a purely numbers-based argument and strikes at the credibility of the analytics guys because it was so obviously wrong. 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

19 hours ago, Wayne Arnold said:

 

Gailey's stock rises every time Daboll's offense fails to execute a running back screen. Needless to say, Gailey's stock has skyrocketed in 2019.

 

Gailey stock has been unlisted as of 2016

[Wayne Arnold]

7 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

 

Gailey stock has been unlisted as of 2016

 

Legacy is a thing. Our memories and the recorded history of a football coach aren’t wiped clean the moment he retires.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

22 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said:

 

Legacy is a thing. Our memories and the recorded history of a football coach aren’t wiped clean the moment he retires.

 

Stock value is determined by buyers and sellers. 

 

Chan has no Buyers and might not be for sake anyway. 

[Kangaxx]

I wonder how they'll justify this rating after "Duck" threw 2 picks and got benched.