Augie Posted December 10, 2019 Posted December 10, 2019 1 minute ago, BillsFan4 said: If this is what actually happened, they should be very seriously penalized. As I said, I’ll be anxious to see the actual video (if it’s ever released). The league won’t want the scandal, but I honestly feel BB deserves a year off. 1
Don Otreply Posted December 10, 2019 Posted December 10, 2019 I like the forced sale of the team idea with the addition of moving them out of the New England area, like to LA, Or St. Louis Missouri,
NoSaint Posted December 10, 2019 Posted December 10, 2019 Just now, Buffaloaf said: Valid point. This behavior aligns perfectly with the 2015 article describing how they would develop cover stories for their videotaping though. I have no evidence but they could have created other cover stories for other teams. Maybe they only do this for teams with new coaching staffs? I have no reason to give them the benefit of the doubt. really not even giving the benefit of the doubt, just looking at context of the available info. Seems they either went to amazing lengths, or dumb lucked into an opportunity that went bad when it happened.
ToGoGo Posted December 10, 2019 Posted December 10, 2019 2 minutes ago, BillsFan4 said: If this is what actually happened, they should be very seriously penalized. As I said, I’ll be anxious to see the actual video (if it’s ever released). The video being released assumes we can trust the NFL to release the entire video. Remember Spygate? Also, like somebody else noted earlier, this is 2019. There's a cloud, and there may be footage that was filmed that is not saved on the camera but on a server somewhere. 1
BuffaloRebound Posted December 10, 2019 Posted December 10, 2019 If they admitted that fast to this, you know they were caught red-handed. 2
BillsFan4 Posted December 10, 2019 Posted December 10, 2019 3 minutes ago, Augie said: The league won’t want the scandal, but I honestly feel BB deserves a year off. 100% agree. If this is true Belichick should be suspended, and not just for a game or two.
Augie Posted December 10, 2019 Posted December 10, 2019 4 minutes ago, ToGoGo said: The video being released assumes we can trust the NFL to release the entire video. Remember Spygate? Also, like somebody else noted earlier, this is 2019. There's a cloud, and there may be footage that was filmed that is not saved on the camera but on a server somewhere. I think I read upthread the league has a copy, and the Bengals have the original. It might be the only smart thing the Bengals have done in the last decade! LOL 3
NoSaint Posted December 10, 2019 Posted December 10, 2019 3 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said: If they admitted that fast to this, you know they were caught red-handed. The flip side being if their film crew was freelancing legitimately... they’d issue the identical statement. I don’t think the statement itself moves the needle much. Especially given the video existing and being in possession of the league. At this point it’s a matter of what’s on the tape
sven233 Posted December 10, 2019 Posted December 10, 2019 It's real simple.....release the video to the public. We'll know right away what's up.
Buffaloaf Posted December 10, 2019 Posted December 10, 2019 Just now, Augie said: I think I read upthread the league has a copy, and the Bengals have the original. It might be the only smart thing the Bengals have done in the last decade! LOL The Bengals should post the video online. I’m sure the league has told them not to but that would be great
NoSaint Posted December 10, 2019 Posted December 10, 2019 Just now, Augie said: I think I read upthread the league has a copy, and the Bengals have the original. It might be the only smart thing the Bengals have done in the last decade! LOL post of the thread! im picturing the bengals accidentally deleting it instead of sending it. that said, it’ll lend some credibility to the process after the nfl bungled spy gate
Augie Posted December 10, 2019 Posted December 10, 2019 6 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said: If they admitted that fast to this, you know they were caught red-handed. And nobody in their right mind should give them any benefit of the doubt. It is WAY more strikes than one team should be allowed. 1 minute ago, Buffaloaf said: The Bengals should post the video online. I’m sure the league has told them not to but that would be great They will be smarter than that, but they maintain some leverage. I like that.
TheFunPolice Posted December 10, 2019 Posted December 10, 2019 2 minutes ago, Augie said: And nobody in their right mind should give them any benefit of the doubt. It is WAY more strikes than one team should be allowed. They will be smarter than that, but they maintain some leverage. I like that. The thing is... I think only 3 or 4 people work for the Bengals front office 1
Rc2catch Posted December 10, 2019 Posted December 10, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Augie said: I think I read upthread the league has a copy, and the Bengals have the original. It might be the only smart thing the Bengals have done in the last decade! LOL This exactly. If the Bengals were mad enough to make a thing of this (justifiably) and the NFL plays it wrong why wouldn’t they “lose” the tape to TMZ. A cover up or not taking it serious could literally cripple the entire league Some of the other comments on here I think we could be getting a little crazy with moving the team and forcing a sale etc etc there would have to be more concrete evidence. Deflate gate or whatever wasn’t that big of a deal. Spy gate was the thing and yes if this current situation is proven there should be some extreme actions taken but let’s not get too crazy and start taking rings away (not that that actually does anything at all) and moving the team away. It’s a loyal fanbase of all sports and as much as I hate some of the fans how you gonna force the team to leave those fans? Edited December 10, 2019 by Rc2catch
ToGoGo Posted December 10, 2019 Posted December 10, 2019 OK, let's put it like this. 1. How many other organizations go to road games with a camera crew in tow filming the sidelines? Is this a normal practice? 2. Why would the Patriots even risk something like this considering their reputation? Think from the perspective of a PR department or even the legal department. Who would OK a series like this to film other teams after everything that happened in the past? And if they did have the chutzpah to do it, how could they forgot to inform both sides? 3. Spygate isn't some old forgotten thing. Remember earlier this year when McDermott escorted Belichick's son off the field? Optics are BAD. Either the entire organization is tone deaf, or...... These are the questions people should be asking before dismissing with Reddit type comments like "why would they film the crappy Bengals? har har" 3
Augie Posted December 10, 2019 Posted December 10, 2019 2 minutes ago, Rc2catch said: This exactly. If the Bengals were mad enough to make a thing of this (justifiably) and the NFL plays it wrong why wouldn’t they “lose” the tape to TMZ. Some of the other comments on here I think we could be getting a little crazy with moving the team and forcing a sale etc etc there would have to be more concrete evidence. Deflate gate or whatever wasn’t that big of a deal. Spy gate was the thing and yes if this current situation is proven there should be some extreme actions taken but let’s not get too crazy and start taking rings away (not that that actually does anything at all) and moving the team away. It’s a loyal fanbase of all sports and as much as I hate some of the fans how you gonna force the team to leave those fans? No selling of the team or anything crazy like that, but I disagree on this: I think deflate gate was a big deal. It was intentional and it was on BB, not Brady. It was all about reducing fumbles. 1
ExiledInIllinois Posted December 10, 2019 Posted December 10, 2019 (edited) BREAKING NEWS REPORT: Roger Goodell just reviewed the video. It's only Kraft getting a handy . 3 minutes ago, ToGoGo said: OK, let's put it like this. 1. How many other organizations go to road games with a camera crew in tow filming the sidelines? Is this a normal practice? 2. Why would the Patriots even risk something like this considering their reputation? Think from the perspective of a PR department or even the legal department. Who would OK a series like this to film other teams after everything that happened in the past? And if they did have the chutzpah to do it, how could they forgot to inform both sides? 3. Spygate isn't some old forgotten thing. Remember earlier this year when McDermott escorted Belichick's son off the field? Optics are BAD. Either the entire organization is tone deaf, or...... These are the questions people should be asking before dismissing with Reddit type comments like "why would they film the crappy Bengals? har har" And they play the Bengals the following week! LoL... Edited December 10, 2019 by ExiledInIllinois 1
Rc2catch Posted December 10, 2019 Posted December 10, 2019 1 minute ago, Augie said: No selling of the team or anything crazy like that, but I disagree on this: I think deflate gate was a big deal. It was intentional and it was on BB, not Brady. It was all about reducing fumbles. Yeah but it wasn’t as concrete. Spy gate the pats kinda admitted quickly and accepted their punishment. They didn’t fight that one as much. Deflate gate they needed to get more info to really make it stick. I think it was wrong and they were guilty as hell, I just don’t think it was proven that well. It was kinda a cluster**** On the plus side I am dying from laughter reading these guys. First time visiting there and I hate all the ads but thank you to whoever posted it earlier it made my night https://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/threads/wtf-is-this-pats-accused-of-videotaping-cinci.1150837/page-28
ToGoGo Posted December 10, 2019 Posted December 10, 2019 1 minute ago, ExiledInIllinois said: BREAKING NEWS REPORT: Roger Goodell just reviewed thed And they play the Bengals the following week! LoL... Right. That would explain why they "forgot" to inform the Bengals. The Bengals would never agree to it. And again the optics of it. If this was truly an innocent blunder (and my God what an innocent blunder), choose two teams who you don't play this year. 1
BuffaloRebound Posted December 10, 2019 Posted December 10, 2019 The optics of this is horrible. Doesn’t even matter what’s on the tape. When you’re already a multiple time criminal, nobody is gonna believe you. 1
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