Steptide Posted December 10, 2019 Posted December 10, 2019 On 12/10/2019 at 12:16 AM, GregPersons said: To me this is a question of who would you rather have had active on Sunday? Based on what you've seen this year. Tyler Kroft (5 games) or Duke Williams (1 game)? Who would you rather running across the middle when you need a TD? Why would anyone say Kroft? Expand At this point I'd take Duke over mckenzie. Mckenzie has had a few moments, but I wouldn't say they've been game changing On 12/9/2019 at 6:46 PM, Dopey said: How do you read his 2 tweets? What do you make of them? Expand Just to be clear, this isn't the Duke williams that's currently on the bills, it's another Duke that played for the bills previously 1 1
HerdMenatlity1 Posted December 10, 2019 Posted December 10, 2019 On 12/10/2019 at 1:54 AM, Steptide said: At this point I'd take Duke over mckenzie. Mckenzie has had a few moments, but I wouldn't say they've been game changing Just to be clear, this isn't the Duke williams that's currently on the bills, it's another Duke that played for the bills previously Expand Yea, reed83 and I pm'd each other and he brought that to my attention. Thanks. 1
GregPersons Posted December 10, 2019 Posted December 10, 2019 On 12/10/2019 at 1:54 AM, Steptide said: At this point I'd take Duke over mckenzie. Mckenzie has had a few moments, but I wouldn't say they've been game changing Expand No disagreement from me, I'd take that as well, but at least McKenzie has made some impact this season... Kroft has been completely absent, and it's not like there's no sample size. He's played 5 games! He's playing like he's on IR for the amount of impact he's had on the offense.
Buffaloflash Posted December 11, 2019 Posted December 11, 2019 On 12/10/2019 at 1:49 AM, Braedenstearns said: Has anyone ever asked in a press conference or a call why they don’t use duke or yeldon? Expand That is the same thought I had also.I'm of the firm belief that Duke must have violated some policy or rule that has kept him off the field. Nothing else,makes sense to me!
Rc2catch Posted December 11, 2019 Posted December 11, 2019 (edited) On 12/10/2019 at 12:16 AM, GregPersons said: To me this is a question of who would you rather have had active on Sunday? Based on what you've seen this year. Tyler Kroft (5 games) or Duke Williams (1 game)? Who would you rather running across the middle when you need a TD? Why would anyone say Kroft? Expand Why would it be Kroft or Duke? If they decide to activate him Kroft won’t be the one sitting. Kroft had 21 plays he was out there vs Baltimore. Don’t even think he was targeted. McKenzie played like 50 something meaningless snaps and basically did nothing. Edited December 11, 2019 by Rc2catch
LABILLBACKER Posted December 11, 2019 Posted December 11, 2019 (edited) On 12/11/2019 at 3:25 AM, Rc2catch said: Why would it be Kroft or Duke? If they decide to activate him Kroft won’t be the one sitting. Expand I have an idea. Why doesn't the shield allow all 53 players to play. This whole activate crap is ridiculous. Would 7 extra players on the sideline in uniform really throw off the league flux continuum? Edited December 11, 2019 by LABILLBACKER
Boatdrinks Posted December 11, 2019 Posted December 11, 2019 On 12/11/2019 at 3:31 AM, LABILLBACKER said: I have an idea. Why doesn't the shield allow all 53 players to play. This whole activate crap is ridiculous. Would 7 extra players on the sideline in uniform really throw off the league flux continuum? Expand Pretty sure the 53 man roster limit was a compromise because teams were simply stashing players on IR. It’s to limit the advantage a team might have if they’re lucky enough to be relatively injury free. 1
GregPersons Posted December 11, 2019 Posted December 11, 2019 (edited) On 12/11/2019 at 3:25 AM, Rc2catch said: Why would it be Kroft or Duke? If they decide to activate him Kroft won’t be the one sitting. Kroft had 21 plays he was out there vs Baltimore. Don’t even think he was targeted. McKenzie played like 50 something meaningless snaps and basically did nothing. Expand I singled out Kroft because he's done absolutely nothing as our TE1, in 5 games played. Duke is a WR but physically he has the size to play as a pass-catching TE. I'm advocating for the creative genius Daboll to creatively look at his roster and see if we can upgrade the TE position from within. McKenzie's use as a gadget WR is different enough from Duke that I'd prefer to keep him active... he, too, has done very little, though not as little as Kroft! I think the offense could open up quite a bit with Duke & Knox as the receiving TEs. Lee Smith for blocking and taking penalties. 2 WR, 2 TE - Brown, Beasley, Duke, Knox 3 WR 1 TE - Brown, Beasley, Foster/McKenzie, Knox/Duke/Smith Edited December 11, 2019 by GregPersons
Rc2catch Posted December 11, 2019 Posted December 11, 2019 (edited) On 12/11/2019 at 4:01 AM, GregPersons said: I singled out Kroft because he's done absolutely nothing as our TE1, in 5 games played. Duke is a WR but physically he has the size to play as a pass-catching TE. I'm advocating for the creative genius Daboll to creatively look at his roster and see if we can upgrade the TE position from within. McKenzie's use as a gadget WR is different enough from Duke that I'd prefer to keep him active... he, too, has done very little, though not as little as Kroft! I think the offense could open up quite a bit with Duke & Knox as the receiving TEs. Lee Smith for blocking and taking penalties. 2 WR, 2 TE - Brown, Beasley, Duke, Knox 3 WR 1 TE - Brown, Beasley, Foster/McKenzie, Knox/Duke/Smith Expand Duke is literally the same size as foster just 20 pounds heavier. I have mentioned before people keep saying Kroft has done nothing. Well of course not he had one target in the raven game and played like 20 snaps. Knox is the pass catching TE as far as the playbook goes. He’s the only one schemed in the playbook for passing routes. Kroft can’t do anything if they don’t throw him the ball. You know what he can do? Run out 5-8 yards and catch passes all day long if they actually throw it. He can also body a defender in the end zone if they throw it. If they had any interest in upgrading the passing game via tight end they have 2 options they don’t even try to use. Sweeney showed a little flash for making catches and Kroft can. They just don’t try. Or Allen doesn’t look. I keep defending Kroft and I’m not even a big fan of his, I just can’t believe he’s become a whipping boy around here who “does nothing” when they don’t even throw him the ball. If you are looking for production from tight ends and what Knox gives isn’t enough look not further then Daboll and Allen. Guys are missed open short all the time. Allen is fixated on 15-30 yard completions a lot. Singletary for example could catch passes all day from the backfield he’s open a ton and Allen never even considers looking that way unless it’s a designed play. Cheer for duke as we all should, but stop hating on Kroft over make believe “does nothing” Edited December 11, 2019 by Rc2catch 2
GregPersons Posted December 11, 2019 Posted December 11, 2019 On 12/11/2019 at 4:22 AM, Rc2catch said: Duke is literally the same size as foster just 20 pounds heavier. I have mentioned before people keep saying Kroft has done nothing. Well of course not he had one target in the raven game and played like 20 snaps. Knox is the pass catching TE as far as the playbook goes. He’s the only one schemed in the playbook for passing routes. Kroft can’t do anything if they don’t throw him the ball. You know what he can do? Run out 5-8 yards and catch passes all day long if they actually throw it. He can also body a defender in the end zone if they throw it. If they had any interest in upgrading the passing game via tight end they have 2 options they don’t even try to use. Sweeney showed a little flash for making catches and Kroft can. They just don’t try. Or Allen doesn’t look. I keep defending Kroft and I’m not even a big fan of his, I just can’t believe he’s become a whipping boy around here who “does nothing” when they don’t even throw him the ball. If you are looking for production from tight ends and what Knox gives isn’t enough look not further then Daboll and Allen. Guys are missed open short all the time. Allen is fixated on 15-30 yard completions a lot. Singletary for example could catch passes all day from the backfield he’s open a ton and Allen never even considers looking that way unless it’s a designed play. Cheer for duke as we all should, but stop hating on Kroft over make believe “does nothing” Expand Well that's fair enough. Kroft hasn't been targeted, and subbing in Duke or anyone else might not change that if they aren't calling plays to target the TE. Really all of these are coming from the same place — just pitching ideas to the ether and hoping for the coaches to find ways to use the talent already on the roster to fill the need of the big-bodied target, something that was felt notably at the Baltimore game but all season too. Knox isn't enough, not yet. They need another dude, and maybe they have him on the roster. 1
Giuseppe Tognarelli Posted December 11, 2019 Posted December 11, 2019 On 12/9/2019 at 12:14 AM, Mark Vader said: Someone at my club actually believes that if Duke Williams had played today, the Bills would have won. Expand Duke Williams outmuscles Peters there on the goal line and catches that ball IMO On 12/9/2019 at 6:45 PM, Reed83HOF said: Duke Williams says we need a WR#1 Expand This is Duke Williams the DB, not WR. Just in case you weren't aware. I'm not sure. @Dopey
Cripple Creek Posted December 11, 2019 Posted December 11, 2019 How many snaps did Lee Smith get? How many snaps did DiMarco get? McDermott's intractability with the roster has potentially cost us 2 games this year.
HerdMenatlity1 Posted December 11, 2019 Posted December 11, 2019 (edited) On 12/11/2019 at 2:14 PM, Giuseppe Tognarelli said: Duke Williams outmuscles Peters there on the goal line and catches that ball IMO This is Duke Williams the DB, not WR. Just in case you weren't aware. I'm not sure. @Dopey Expand Yea, initially I thought it was the WR. I've had a couple of people here straighten this out. Reed83HOF was one of the folks to bring it to my attention. Thanks. Edited December 11, 2019 by Dopey
Mark Vader Posted December 11, 2019 Posted December 11, 2019 On 12/11/2019 at 2:14 PM, Giuseppe Tognarelli said: Duke Williams outmuscles Peters there on the goal line and catches that ball IMO This is Duke Williams the DB, not WR. Just in case you weren't aware. I'm not sure. @Dopey Expand You think that Duke would have gotten there, faster than Brown?
Giuseppe Tognarelli Posted December 11, 2019 Posted December 11, 2019 On 12/11/2019 at 3:56 PM, Mark Vader said: You think that Duke would have gotten there, faster than Brown? Expand I think he would have been there and with better leverage, yeah. I don't think speed was a big factor there.
Hebert19 Posted December 11, 2019 Posted December 11, 2019 Activate duke. Sit Roberts. Hyde does punt returns and mckenzie does kicks.
Rocbillsfan1 Posted December 11, 2019 Posted December 11, 2019 On 12/11/2019 at 4:07 PM, Giuseppe Tognarelli said: I think he would have been there and with better leverage, yeah. I don't think speed was a big factor there. Expand This is football not a 40 yard dash and yes Williams is way stronger and bigger than brown. Those are just facts. 1
Rocbillsfan1 Posted December 11, 2019 Posted December 11, 2019 On 12/11/2019 at 4:09 PM, Hebert19 said: Activate duke. Sit Roberts. Hyde does punt returns and mckenzie does kicks. Expand I sit McKenzie he is a greater risk of fumbling and I don’t want Hyde just fair catching punts all game. Plus the injury risk is too high for Hyde.
Don Otreply Posted December 11, 2019 Posted December 11, 2019 On 12/9/2019 at 12:28 AM, Mark Vader said: I don't think we lost today because of our wide receivers. Expand Well the pass catching was certainly pRt of why we lost.
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