The Impeachment Trial of President Donald J. Trump

[keepthefaith]

1 hour ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

 ?‍♀️  And there is that small matter of his wife being under FBI investigation - whatever happened to her being under federal investigation for bank fraud? Was she cleared? 

 

 

The matter was put on hold because, you know, someone is running for office. 

[3rdnlng]

3 hours ago, billsfan89 said:

 

I don't think Biden would have won in 2016 and that's the only other person who could have challenged the Clinton machine in the nomination. This is an anti-establishment era of politics. Any "Moderate" Dem is going to be viewed as a part of the establishment that Trump will just rip into. What is a more appealing message to voters, a true populist who doesn't take corporate money, has held the same positions since the 70's, has bold policy ideas and hasn't supported the ***** over of the country throughout his public life. Or a moderate who proposes slight changes around the edges? 

 

Trump is going to make the same attacks on Biden as he did on Hillary (Supported the Iraq war, supported NAFTA, takes a ton of corporate money and all the other awful stuff Washington has supported.) Trump can't do the same with Bernie because he doesn't take corporate money and didn't support those disasters and according to reports Trump has privately told people that he is most worried about Bernie. I think Trump is an egotistical buffoon but he does have a good sense of how to read what the people want politically and he knows he can't steamroll Bernie a true populist.   

Bernie has been an avowed socialist/communist all of his life. He even honeymooned in Russia in the seventies when the cold war was going strong. When Comrade Bernie's little picadillos come out he will be ridiculed by those not on the far left. Being ridiculed is a candidates biggest enemy. 

[Rob's House]

2 hours ago, billsfan89 said:

 

I don't think Biden would have won in 2016 and that's the only other person who could have challenged the Clinton machine in the nomination. This is an anti-establishment era of politics. Any "Moderate" Dem is going to be viewed as a part of the establishment that Trump will just rip into. What is a more appealing message to voters, a true populist who doesn't take corporate money, has held the same positions since the 70's, has bold policy ideas and hasn't supported the ***** over of the country throughout his public life. Or a moderate who proposes slight changes around the edges? 

 

Trump is going to make the same attacks on Biden as he did on Hillary (Supported the Iraq war, supported NAFTA, takes a ton of corporate money and all the other awful stuff Washington has supported.) Trump can't do the same with Bernie because he doesn't take corporate money and didn't support those disasters and according to reports Trump has privately told people that he is most worried about Bernie. I think Trump is an egotistical buffoon but he does have a good sense of how to read what the people want politically and he knows he can't steamroll Bernie a true populist.   

 

Bernie would likely be more formidable than most of the pack, but he's got some heavy obstacles in his path to the nomination.

 

The DNC doesn't want him anywhere near this. President Trump was able to overcome similar sentiment from the RNC, but it doesn't have as much control over the process as the DNC does. Also, the Clinton loyalists still resent him for, as they see it, costing Hillary the election.

 

Were he to get it though the general election would be interesting. Bernie's far left policies would scare some moderates and Never Trumpers into voting Trump, but he'd pick up a lot of liberals who have gravitated to the right, despite policy differences, due to the wacky PC, social justice wing taking over the Democrat party.

 

I don't think the feminist/Hillary crowd would sit out because anyone in that crowd that's still harboring resentment are so rabidly anti-Trump that they'll learn to get over it and show up in droves anyway.

 

I think Tulsi Gabbard would be the most formidable. She has similar challenges and strengths to Bernie wrt what I described above, but she comes off as more sensible and she's a lot more pleasant to look at. Also, Trump would alpha Bernie in a big way. If he tried that on Tulsi he'd look like a bully. And she's pretty tough; the optics of a tough attractive woman standing up to Trump could cause problems for him.

 

I still think President Trump wins regardless of who they run, but those two would have the best chance in the general IMO.

 

[dubs]

11 hours ago, billsfan89 said:

 

I don't think Biden would have won in 2016 and that's the only other person who could have challenged the Clinton machine in the nomination. This is an anti-establishment era of politics. Any "Moderate" Dem is going to be viewed as a part of the establishment that Trump will just rip into. What is a more appealing message to voters, a true populist who doesn't take corporate money, has held the same positions since the 70's, has bold policy ideas and hasn't supported the ***** over of the country throughout his public life. Or a moderate who proposes slight changes around the edges? 

 

Trump is going to make the same attacks on Biden as he did on Hillary (Supported the Iraq war, supported NAFTA, takes a ton of corporate money and all the other awful stuff Washington has supported.) Trump can't do the same with Bernie because he doesn't take corporate money and didn't support those disasters and according to reports Trump has privately told people that he is most worried about Bernie. I think Trump is an egotistical buffoon but he does have a good sense of how to read what the people want politically and he knows he can't steamroll Bernie a true populist.   

bernie has never had a job outside of government and his first job in government was narrowly winning a small mayoral race in VT in his 40s. His policies are directly taken from the 12 pillars of communism, and he’s an angry old Soviet. 
 

while I think there are a lot of fools in this country, there’s not enough of them to elect Comrade Bernie. He’d get demolished. 

Edited December 7, 2019 by dubs

[3rdnlng]

Meet the Left's point man who is using their idea of the impeachment process to affect an election. I give you Jerry The Hut:

 

 

 

Edited December 7, 2019 by 3rdnlng

[SoCal Deek]

1 hour ago, dubs said:

bernie has never had a job outside of government and his first job in government was narrowly winning a small mayoral race in VT in his 40s. His policies are directly taken from the 12 pillars of communism, and he’s an angry old Soviet. 
 

while I think there are a lot of fools in this country, there’s not enough of them to elect Comrade Bernie. He’d get demolished. 

Then who’s it going to be. Liz sounds like a really angry retired teacher. Joe is well...Joe. Pete is doing his best but his own ‘diversity prone’ party is going to reject him because of his diversity. They have a REAL problem. 

[dubs]

4 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Then who’s it going to be. Liz sounds like a really angry retired teacher. Joe is well...Joe. Pete is doing his best but his own ‘diversity prone’ party is going to reject him because of his diversity. They have a REAL problem. 

well, I’m not saying Bernie won’t win the primary, but he definitely wouldn’t win the general. 
 

I think the Dems try and duplicate the Obama formula and Mayor Pete wins. Anytime you can elect a small town mayor in his 30s to be president of the United States, you gotta do it. 
 

 

[Buffalo_Gal]

3 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Then who’s it going to be. Liz sounds like a really angry retired teacher. Joe is well...Joe. Pete is doing his best but his own ‘diversity prone’ party is going to reject him because of his diversity. They have a REAL problem. 

I think that is why the rumors of Hillary or Michelle O jumping in are so strong... the current field of Democratic candidate hopefuls are even worse than Hillary Clinton or John Kerry. 

 

[3rdnlng]

3 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Then who’s it going to be. Liz sounds like a really angry retired teacher. Joe is well...Joe. Pete is doing his best but his own ‘diversity prone’ party is going to reject him because of his diversity. They have a REAL problem. 

If the dems had a viable candidate capable of beating Trump then they wouldn't be going through this charade of impeachment. They've used up all of their ammunition and now are throwing the gun as a last ditch effort to have relevance. 

[row_33]

Michelle? C‘’mom....  

[SoCal Deek]

1 minute ago, dubs said:

well, I’m not saying Bernie won’t win the primary, but he definitely wouldn’t win the general. 
 

I think the Dems try and duplicate the Obama formula and Mayor Pete wins. Anytime you can elect a small town mayor in his 30s to be president of the United States, you gotta do it. 
 

 

Mayor Pete is not getting by the African American fire wall. 

[Buffalo_Gal]

Just now, row_33 said:

Michelle? C‘’mom....  

I'm not saying it it logical. If you go over to a lefty site they are wishin' and hopin' (not for Hillary, for Michelle). 

[SoCal Deek]

1 minute ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

I think that is why the rumors of Hillary or Michelle O jumping in are so strong... the current field of Democratic candidate hopefuls are even worse than Hillary Clinton or John Kerry. 

 

I agree! Biden looks and smells like John McCain. Old and tired. And the analogy to Sarah Palin would obviously have to be Kamala Harris!

[row_33]

13 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

I'm not saying it it logical. If you go over to a lefty site they are wishin' and hopin' (not for Hillary, for Michelle). 

i can’t see her wanting to waste her time, a campaign is a serious drain when you have hope in the first place 

she has no time or patience to stand there while Grievance Theatre takes over every Dem speech on the campaign trail

 

Edited December 7, 2019 by row_33

[Buffalo_Gal]

 

[SoCal Deek]

1 minute ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

 

We’re about to see what the Art of the Deal looks like in real time. Trump knows he’s going to win in the Senate. It’s time for Nancy to blink.

[Albwan]

       Something I find very troubling is the left and the media keep repeating the phrases 'undisputed' or 'uncontested' in

regards to 'facts' about what they feel Trump has done....This to me is more of their mask slipping, because what they are saying is

Trump, his voters and Republicans are completely dismissed as nothing.

     I keep thinking that this whole thing is heading on a seriously dangerous trajectory.

 

[Dr. Who]

1 minute ago, Albwan said:

       Something I find very troubling is the left and the media keep repeating the phrases 'undisputed' or 'uncontested' in

regards to 'facts' about what they feel Trump has done....This to me is more of their mask slipping, because what they are saying is

Trump, his voters and Republicans are completely dismissed as nothing.

     I keep thinking that this whole thing is heading on a seriously dangerous trajectory.

 

Those folks are completely unmasked by this point.

[3rdnlng]

30 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

 

Trump's lawyers did send a letter about 4:30 pm to the House basically telling them to ***** off and we'll all see how it goes in a fair Senate trial. Dems are like moths drawn to the flame of impeachment. 

31 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

We’re about to see what the Art of the Deal looks like in real time. Trump knows he’s going to win in the Senate. It’s time for Nancy to blink.

Sorry to tell you this, but Nancy is incapable of blinking. I mean really, she can't physically blink. She would make a great Jeff Dunham dummy though if he could get up the courage to have her sit on his lap.

[SoCal Deek]

11 minutes ago, Albwan said:

       Something I find very troubling is the left and the media keep repeating the phrases 'undisputed' or 'uncontested' in

regards to 'facts' about what they feel Trump has done....This to me is more of their mask slipping, because what they are saying is

Trump, his voters and Republicans are completely dismissed as nothing.

     I keep thinking that this whole thing is heading on a seriously dangerous trajectory.

 

Don’t be troubled or confused. Let me simplify this for you. The facts are indeed undisputed. The transcript is the only fact! The debate is solely on the INTENT of the transcript...but void of a single witness who has any personal knowledge of the INTENT....the prosecution has literally nothing.