Foxx Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 2 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: If you missed Hastings' "performance" today, you missed one of the most dishonest, dishonorable pieces of oratory so far in this saga. He's a fraud. https://www.senate.gov/artandhistory/history/common/briefing/Impeachment_Hastings.htm it was disgusting. it is somewhat ironic that he was actually impeached and removed from the judiciary. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 So Trump in his stupid letter says impeachment is unconstitutional?? What an idiot! Ha ha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 4 minutes ago, Tiberius said: We all know that reading comprehension isn't your thing, but try re-reading the letter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 1 minute ago, Koko78 said: We all know that reading comprehension isn't your thing, but try re-reading the letter. He says it’s unconstitutional, what don’t you understand about that? Thats just stupid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 Slotkin "did what she was trained to do". 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubs Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 19 minutes ago, Tiberius said: He says it’s unconstitutional, what don’t you understand about that? Thats just stupid “This impeachment represents an unprecedented and unconstitutional abuse of power by Democrat Lawmakers,” ”The Articles of Impeachment introduced by the House Judiciary Committee are not recognizable under any standard of a Constitutional theory, interpretation, or jurisprudence. They include no crimes, no misdemeanors, and no offenses whatsoever” See how that works. He’s not saying impeachment is unconstitutional, he’s saying this one is. Which is the case since the Dems are not alleging a single high crime or misdemeanor took place and no treason. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 19 minutes ago, dubs said: “This impeachment represents an unprecedented and unconstitutional abuse of power by Democrat Lawmakers,” ”The Articles of Impeachment introduced by the House Judiciary Committee are not recognizable under any standard of a Constitutional theory, interpretation, or jurisprudence. They include no crimes, no misdemeanors, and no offenses whatsoever” See how that works. He’s not saying impeachment is unconstitutional, he’s saying this one is. Which is the case since the Dems are not alleging a single high crime or misdemeanor took place and no treason. Do you actually expect him to be able to understand that? Try one grunt for "yes" and two grunts for "no". 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 21 minutes ago, dubs said: “This impeachment represents an unprecedented and unconstitutional abuse of power by Democrat Lawmakers,” ”The Articles of Impeachment introduced by the House Judiciary Committee are not recognizable under any standard of a Constitutional theory, interpretation, or jurisprudence. They include no crimes, no misdemeanors, and no offenses whatsoever” See how that works. He’s not saying impeachment is unconstitutional, he’s saying this one is. Which is the case since the Dems are not alleging a single high crime or misdemeanor took place and no treason. You're arguing the specifics of language and tone with a person who believes Trump making a clear and obvious joke about "Hey, Russia if you're listening..." was his confessing to treason. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 2 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said: Letter at the link. If you haven't read the letter -- you should. It's straight fire. (through a Trump lens) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 4 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said: Looking for second confirmation of this, I missed it if he said it. Not wise politically because it gives the swing district Dems an out. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 16 minutes ago, GG said: Not wise politically because it gives the swing district Dems an out. Also passing up an opportunity to troll several Democrat Presidential candidates. We're approaching the holiday season and don't want to rush something like an Impeachment trial. So we should postpone until after New Years. Call the trial to order during mid January. Senators Warren, Sanders, Klobaucher, and Booker have all said they would be there to impeach Trump. Oh and former VP Biden, you might want to stick around DC in case you're subpoenaed. Meanwhile in Iowa and New Hampshire... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 2 minutes ago, /dev/null said: Meanwhile in Iowa and New Hampshire... no to mention the other states Biden thinks he is standing in currently 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedge Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 1 hour ago, GG said: Not wise politically because it gives the swing district Dems an out. It also gives some R's an out (ex. Graham and Mittens), so it's not a total surprise. Not wanting to dig into the Ukraine is an old guard bipartisan effort. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albwan Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 30 minutes ago, Hedge said: It also gives some R's an out (ex. Graham and Mittens), so it's not a total surprise. Not wanting to dig into the Ukraine is an old guard bipartisan effort. Oh look the guy to the right there emasculated Trump Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 (edited) TRUMP UNBOUND Today President Trump delivered a blistering six-page letter to Nancy Pelosi, attacking the Democrats’ misconduct dating from the election campaign of 2016 and culminating in the current impeachment farce. The letter is embedded below. When I saw that Trump had delivered such a letter, I assumed it was written by White House Counsel Pat Cipollone. Having read the letter, I think it is written in Trump’s own voice. With genuine emotion, he tells Pelosi and the Democrats that “you are violating your oaths of office, you are breaking your allegiance to the Constitution, and you are you are declaring open war on American Democracy.” This is the president’s conclusion: It is time for you and the highly partisan Democrats in Congress to immediately cease this impeachment fantasy and get back to work for the American People. While I have no expectation that you will do so, I write this letter to you for the purpose of history and to put my thoughts on a permanent and indelible record. One hundred years from now, when people look back at this affair, I want them to understand it, and learn from it, so that it can never happen to another President again. I think President Trump is correct in believing that history will judge the Democratic Party harshly. Here is the letter: (at the link) . Exit question: Did Trump write this letter to memorialize his grievances because he’s resigned to the fact that he’s not going to be able to call witnesses at his trial? . Edited December 18, 2019 by B-Man 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 1 minute ago, B-Man said: I think President Trump is correct in believing that history will judge the Democratic Party harshly. Only if they lose. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 Democrats are floating the idea of calling off the impeachment process once they vote to impeach. How? By declining to transmit their articles of impeachment to the Senate for a trial. Democrats may be floating this idea in the hope of gaining leverage with Mitch McConnell over how the Senate will proceed with a trial of the president. However, Larry Tribe, writing in the Washington Post, seems to think that House Democrats should withhold their articles of impeachment if the threat of doing so fails to sway McConnell. I know that Trump says he wants a Senate trial, the longer the better. However, I’d be pleased if the Democrats followed Tribe’s advice. Why? For four reasons. First, enough time has already been spent on this matter. Second, the public, I think, would interpret the Democrats’ move as a retreat — a confirmation that impeachment was just a gesture, not a serious move with a strong basis in law and fact. Third, this move would put the Trump impeachment in a unique and less damning historical category. The impeachment would carry a big and puzzling asterisk. Finally, not bringing the case to the Senate would let certain Republican Senators off the hook. Just as so-called moderate Democrats in the House face a risk by voting to impeach, some Senators who are up for reelection next year face a risk if they vote not to convict. A Senator like Cory Gardner of Colorado can’t afford to vote to remove Trump from office. But if he votes not to, he might lose support he needs — e.g. from women and suburbanites. Tribe’s move would take Gardner and others out of this box. I don’t see House Democrats pulling the plug on impeachment by not referring their articles to the Senate. But the fact that they are talking about doing so is a good sign. In part, it’s a recognition that things aren’t going well for them. To be clear, if Mitch McConnell gives the White House a say in how the Senate conducts the trial of President Trump, the Democrats will have a legitimate beef. But if House Democrats overreact by pulling the plug on the proceedings, they will, I think, have shot themselves in the foot. I hope they do. https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2019/12/impeachment-two-developments-neither-bad.php Senate Democrats undercut the House Dems and their primary impeachment article by moaning that they need more facts. What they want is a smoking gun, something that might turn public opinion around. (They wouldn’t get it from the witnesses they want to have testify at trial or from Mueller grand jury testimony). Mitch McConnell dismissed the whining of Schumer and other Senate Democrats with this comment: “The Senate is meant to act as judge and jury, to hear a trial, not to re-run the entire fact-finding investigation because angry partisans rush sloppily through it.” He’s right. I think the American public will agree. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snafu Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 10 hours ago, Tiberius said: Trump is worse than Nixon, Dick didn't try to interfere in an election using foreign powers Actually, he did w/the N Vietnamese. Johnson busted him doing it but let it go because the Dems were phone tapping Nixon. None of this stuff is new. It’s just #orangemanbad. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 But what happened to us being a Republic....thank God? “By proceeding with your invalid impeachment, you are violating your oaths of office, you are breaking your allegiance to the Constitution, and you are declaring open war on American Democracy.” Donald J Trump 7 hours ago, snafu said: Actually, he did w/the N Vietnamese. Johnson busted him doing it but let it go because the Dems were phone tapping Nixon. None of this stuff is new. It’s just #orangemanbad. You mean the South Vietnamese? Pulling the plug on peace negotiations? Hmmmm...and then basically taking the same deal six years later? Ya, that was worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubs Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 14 hours ago, 3rdnlng said: Do you actually expect him to be able to understand that? Try one grunt for "yes" and two grunts for "no". argh, argh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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