Taro T Posted January 28, 2020 Posted January 28, 2020 17 hours ago, Margarita said: https://www.businessinsider.com/human-trafficking-is-not-an-immigration-enforcement-problem-2019-3#nostatistical-evidence-4 read this and tell me what you think. About the other issues I think my own personal opinions are really moot as far as he being impeached. Do Republican values align with mine regarding abortion Definitey. Do I think he is in favor of being a man of Christian values and loving your neighbor as yourself...absolutely Not. I dont mean to hijack and make this a thread on soley what margarita thinks though to be honest who cares what margarita thinks I dont expect internet chatters to thats for sure. Not ignoring you. Haven't had a chance to read the article yet, and likely won't tonight. Will respond after reading it.
muppy Posted January 28, 2020 Posted January 28, 2020 Quote Quote Just now, Taro T said: Not ignoring you. Haven't had a chance to read the article yet, and likely won't tonight. Will respond after reading it. no worries its been panned pretty hard but I posted it for discussion,,its a post contrary to Trump rhetoric just for discussion purposes
GG Posted January 28, 2020 Posted January 28, 2020 Could get more interesting in next few days, witnesses may be called. Careful what you wish for, as always. 3
muppy Posted January 28, 2020 Posted January 28, 2020 (edited) okay this was posted at a different chatroom....posted with permission Quote This is so important and overlooked by most. Democrats don't care about removing tRump. Again no one wants President Pence. What they want to do is establish new executive level precedents. There will be a Democrat in office again and everything tRump did will be used again. Just not for causes some may like. Quote This is why I believe very firmly that these egregious acts by Congress, and the POTUS are really hands shaking. DEMs and REPs (not the people so foolishly thinking there is a discernible difference) are the same party. One big circle jerk who puts on a show of not liking the other side, but doing nothing to really change the problems with either. Obama claims Patriot act was unconsititutional, but then adds more to it. He claims Gitmo is inhumane and keeps it around. Trump claims the swamp needs cleaning, but his own people stab him in the back at every turn and he lies like the rest of us breathe. you may not agree with all of this Rhino but at least partly Im guessing. I thought it was very interesting and had asked if I could repost it after I read it last night and was told yes. what do you think? anybody? Edited January 28, 2020 by Margarita
njbuff Posted January 28, 2020 Posted January 28, 2020 23 minutes ago, Margarita said: Speaking of internet communication I wonder how much more civil it could be in chat rooms if folks tried to communicate as if they were actually face to face and not hiding behind the anonymity of a keyboard. I’ve been labeled a troll, fake, stupid , trolling for dates LOL that one I laughed...anyway I’m not innocent I came in hard and said trump voters were brainwashed (cultish) I shouldn’t have said that I don’t know people in here personally nor do u me it was wrong but I have a really hard to me with folks I DO know personally who literally think Trump can do no wrong and that’s why I said what I did. It does appear that here he is widely supported but not in 100% everything and I can appreciate this place more knowing that. Anyway..... TRIPLE LIKE THIS totally agree ??? I read something recently I’ll get off my phone to post it I think it’ll strike a chord... Trolling for dates was a joke. I would think you wouldn’t take that seriously. 1
Tiberius Posted January 28, 2020 Posted January 28, 2020 6:07 p.m. McConnell tells GOP senators he does not have the votes to block witnesses McConnell indicated in a closed-door meeting with Senate Republicans that he did not yet have enough votes to defeat an effort, expected later this week, to call additional witnesses and evidence in the trial. His remarks were confirmed by people familiar with them who spoke anonymously to discuss a private meeting. At least four Republicans would have to vote with all Democrats in the key vote later this week to allow witnesses. The vote will be on whether witnesses should be called. Votes on specific witnesses would come later. https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/impeachment-trial-live-updates/2020/01/28/8fadd30e-41bd-11ea-aa6a-083d01b3ed18_story.html#link-2U45HFFYOQ3VRI46RGQKVCLJPU
Deranged Rhino Posted January 28, 2020 Posted January 28, 2020 26 minutes ago, Margarita said: okay this was posted at a different chatroom....posted with permission you may not agree with all of this Rhino but at least partly Im guessing. I thought it was very interesting and had asked if I could repost it after I read it last night and was told yes. what do you think? anybody? While I appreciate the sentiment that there's a uniparty, I don't find it a compelling argument or analysis of the past 4 years. You have to look at the impeachment in full context of what's been happening. What's happening is global, it's not confined to this country alone or its institutions. 25 minutes ago, Hedge said: 44 should be called. Let's do it. 5 1
Deranged Rhino Posted January 29, 2020 Posted January 29, 2020 This has been posted before. It will be posted again. But it's perfect for what's actually happening right now. 3
Hedge Posted January 29, 2020 Posted January 29, 2020 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: While I appreciate the sentiment that there's a uniparty, I don't find it a compelling argument or analysis of the past 4 years. You have to look at the impeachment in full context of what's been happening. What's happening is global, it's not confined to this country alone or its institutions. 44 should be called. Let's do it. I agree. I am proponent of burning it all down. I think the only way we can move forward, with confidence, is to air all the dirty laundry, regardless of who is implicated. I do wonder, however, if any specific witnesses may not be considered, should their testimony affect any sitting (or future) grand juries in Durham's probe. Edited January 29, 2020 by Hedge 5 1
IDBillzFan Posted January 29, 2020 Posted January 29, 2020 8 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: It's funny to me that the left thinks this will be good for them. So far as I can tell, they're planning to go with their already-failed REO Speedwagon testimony. Tough times being a Democrat these days. The embarrassment is never-ending. 2
Deranged Rhino Posted January 29, 2020 Posted January 29, 2020 Just now, Hedge said: I agree, I am proponent of burning it all down. I think the only way we can move forward, with confidence, is to air all the dirty laundry, regardless of who is implicated. I do wonder. however, if any specific witnesses may not be considered, should their testimony affect any sitting (or future) grand juries in Durham's probe. It's a valid point to consider... The rally tonight will be interesting in terms of gauging the temperature of the administration. Just now, IDBillzFan said: It's funny to me that the left thinks this will be good for them. So far as I can tell, they're planning to go with their already-failed REO Speedwagon testimony. Tough times being a Democrat these days. The embarrassment is never-ending. They (the people/base/voters on the left) have been led astray by a nefarious media complex and the coup plotters in the IC/DC. They don't know up from down at the moment. Just look at Bob's posts as evidence. Our reality has bifurcated, it's really an amazing (and dangerous) thing to be aware of. There are two separate realities in existence right now, both convinced their side is right and the other is wrong. But facts are stubborn things, and one side has all the facts while the other has "mind reading" and innuendo mixed with painful cognitive dissonance. We're at a tipping point. The next 10 months will determine a lot in terms of the longevity of the republic itself, let alone the bigger issue of globalism v nationalism. 1 1
muppy Posted January 29, 2020 Posted January 29, 2020 48 minutes ago, njbuff said: Trolling for dates was a joke. I would think you wouldn’t take that seriously. I laughed...intent is hard to assess on the internet i was being slammed pretty hard previously anyway it’s all good. I told hubby and he asked if I got any bites LOL 32 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: While I appreciate the sentiment that there's a uniparty, I don't find it a compelling argument or analysis of the past 4 years. You have to look at the impeachment in full context of what's been happening. What's happening is global, it's not confined to this country alone or its institutions. 44 should be called. Let's do it. Fair enough 2 1
njbuff Posted January 29, 2020 Posted January 29, 2020 What’s more fun????? This impeachment nonsense, or............. the nonsensical debate on the Bills passing on Mahomes? 2
snafu Posted January 29, 2020 Posted January 29, 2020 3 hours ago, Rob's House said: That's the Democrat way. If they don't get what they want (power) they scream & throw a fit, assail your character, call you every name in the book, then accuse you of being divisive. It's been like that since GWB. Maybe longer. It started before Trump, but it is worse now. Dems lose in 2016 and call for the Electoral College to be abolished. Hate the President, the “steady state” Obama holdovers manufacture a bogus investigation into collusion. Trump puts a couple Supremes in place and Dems call for the Court to be enlarged to 15. Dems can’t find a viable candidate so they lower the impeachment threshold and shove it through by a partisan vote. Can’t win by following the rules so they go for complete rules change in response. Clinton tried to bully Trump into saying he’d accept the results of the election and then freaked out when he said “let’s see”. Then she lost and she still hasn’t accepted the results. Half the country has followed her lead and thrown a temper tantrum since November 2016. The hate and rhetoric actually comes from the left. Same happened with Bush in his first term to a much lesser extent. Dems wouldn’t legitimize him because of the Florida mess. 11 2
snafu Posted January 29, 2020 Posted January 29, 2020 3 hours ago, GG said: Could get more interesting in next few days, witnesses may be called. Careful what you wish for, as always. Interesting to say the least. If there will be one, then there should be all witnesses. They will have to vote on each of Schumer’s amendments, I’d imagine. And I think McConnell has said that there won’t be any witnesses without depositions being done first. I could actually imagine Warren, Klobuchar, and Sanders going nuts over this. 2
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted January 29, 2020 Posted January 29, 2020 (edited) 9 minutes ago, snafu said: Interesting to say the least. If there will be one, then there should be all witnesses. They will have to vote on each of Schumer’s amendments, I’d imagine. And I think McConnell has said that there won’t be any witnesses without depositions being done first. I could actually imagine Warren, Klobuchar, and Sanders going nuts over this. If there will be witnesses, call Comey. Call Clapper. Call Obama. Call Clinton. Call them ALL. And force them to lie under oath. Then imprison them. Edited January 29, 2020 by Joe in Winslow 1
Rob's House Posted January 29, 2020 Posted January 29, 2020 2 hours ago, Margarita said: okay this was posted at a different chatroom....posted with permission you may not agree with all of this Rhino but at least partly Im guessing. I thought it was very interesting and had asked if I could repost it after I read it last night and was told yes. what do you think? anybody? I agree with the theory that establishment Rs & Ds are all in it together to a point, but I think it's loosely analogous to the NFL. The fans (supporters) love their team (party), think winning is the most important thing, and hate the rival team. The players/coaches (politicians) want to win for personal benefits - money/job security (power) & prestige, but the team winning isn't as important as long as they have personal success. And they might talk ***** during the week but they're friends with half the guys on the other team. The owners, who collectively comprise the league (power players) all in it together. Sure, they want to win, but even if they lose they still win. It matters far less to them than the fans. That said, Everyone still wants to hoist the Lombardi. It's a flawed and overly simplistic analogy, but I think it illustrates the point. To the other point (I think) was made, I don't agree that Dems have a genuine concern for the expansion of executive power, because history betrays that assertion. None of them had the slightest concern when Obama was taking extra constitutional actions. The common refrain was that he wouldn't have to do that if the "obstructionist" Congress would "do its job." (Apparently the job of the legislature is to pass the legislation the executive wants). Before you say "whataboutism," I'm not arguing that executive power should not be reigned in (I think it should), but rather that I doubt the sincerity of those on the left claiming it as a goal. Moreover, underneath all the rhetoric, President Trump really hasn't done much to expand executive power beyond that of his predecessors. There's just not a lot of evidence to support that assertion. 3 4
B-Man Posted January 29, 2020 Posted January 29, 2020 McConnell doesn’t have the votes to block witnesses yet — but it sounds like he will by Friday The headlines going around this evening, all to the effect that “McConnell doesn’t have the votes!”, are misleading when you read down into the stories themselves. Republicans sound much calmer and more resolute about ramming through an acquittal verdict without witnesses than they did 24 hours ago, in the first flush of the NYT’s story on Sunday night about Bolton’s book. McConnell doesn’t have the votes yet but as of Tuesday night Collins and Romney remain the only two Republicans willing to say it’s highly likely they’ll vote to call witnesses. Murkowski is interested in hearing from Bolton but won’t go any further than that now. And no one thinks Lamar Alexander’s going to blow up his buddy Mitch’s plans for a quick ending to the trial. https://hotair.com/archives/allahpundit/2020/01/28/mcconnell-doesnt-votes-block-witnesses-yet-sounds-like-will-friday/ 5
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted January 29, 2020 Posted January 29, 2020 IF the mainstream republicans fail here, they need to be punished at the ballot box and by the party. They can't be trusted. 3
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