mannc Posted December 3, 2019 Posted December 3, 2019 1 minute ago, GunnerBill said: Didn't expect it now. Thought it was nailed on to happen after the season. They probably already know who they want to hire and are getting a head start. You don’t want to be the last team looking for a HC. I would expect a few more firings in the next two weeks (Quinn, Shurmur, maybe Kitchens).
BADOLBILZ Posted December 3, 2019 Posted December 3, 2019 7 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Not shocked. Watching All or Nothing in the summer I was shocked how little coaching I saw. Now I know the way these things are edited is about being good for TV but every team meeting they showed seemed to be: "We gotta have this one. Do it for the guy next to you. Don't let him down." No correction. No fundamentals. No different approach to the gameplan. Just more rah- rah. I came away from that documentary totally unimpressed. People have suggested his name in connection with Dallas but even Jason Garrett did more coaching in the Cowboys All or Nothing season. I think Ron is a good guy. He came across as someone who was respected in the building. But seriously I was left questioning how good of a coach he was. If the owner is seeing that day after day then no wonder they moved on. Good luck Perry Fewell. Rivera is a meathead HC. A nice, well mannered meathead but a meathead. Pretty amazing that he lasted that long but having a franchise QB with MVP potential will take you a long way. As I was watching their Redskins debacle unfold it occurred to me that this was probably the NFL's next tear down. Keuchly, Addison(shorter contract term Shaq replacement), McCoy(shorter contract term Phillips replacement)..........all guys I could see being Bills targets this offseason. 1 1
GunnerBill Posted December 3, 2019 Posted December 3, 2019 Just now, mannc said: They probably already know who they want to hire and are getting a head start. You don’t want to be the last team looking for a HC. I would expect a few more firings in the next two weeks (Quinn, Shurmur, maybe Kitchens). Marrone too. Yea I did think they were seeking a head start. Maybe on a college coach given the timing..... whisper it.... Jim Harbaugh? 1 minute ago, BADOLBILZ said: Rivera is a meathead HC. A nice, well mannered meathead but a meathead. Pretty amazing that he lasted that long but having a franchise QB with MVP potential will take you a long way. As I was watching their Redskins debacle unfold it occurred to me that this was probably the NFL's next tear down. Keuchly, Addison(shorter contract term Shaq replacement), McCoy(shorter contract term Phillips replacement)..........all guys I could see being Bills targets this offseason. Agree Badol.
WMDman Posted December 3, 2019 Posted December 3, 2019 7 minutes ago, HOUSE said: You missed a lot of games Tbh I haven’t watched a lot of panthers games this year but from an outsider looking it must be hard to win with a banged up Newton and A 2nd year undrafted QB 2
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted December 3, 2019 Posted December 3, 2019 Probably a strong indication Cam may be gone with a new HC 1
dave mcbride Posted December 3, 2019 Posted December 3, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Hmmm. I know those shows are ultimately about entertainment. But in every other season I have seen some coaching. I think Rivera is a good leader. I think guys want to play for him. But I am not convinced on him as a coach. 3 winning seasons in 9 years is not getting it done. I think the Xs and Os stuff is a little overrated, to be honest. The key attributes of good head coaches are organization skills, ability to motivate, and -- not least -- a nose for good assistants (i.e., the guys who handle the Xs and Os). Belichick skews everyone's perceptions about this, but always remember that Parcells' great skill wasn't Xs/Os, but rather hiring Belichick, Coughlin, Payton, and many others. I'm not saying it's not important, mind you; it's just that I think a really good Xs and Os guy like Adam Gase is a far worse head coach than a guy like Mike Tomlin. It's not easy managing crazy people, and I guarantee you that there are about 10 of them on every NFL team. Edited December 3, 2019 by dave mcbride 1 1
mannc Posted December 3, 2019 Posted December 3, 2019 Just now, GunnerBill said: Marrone too. Yea I did think they were seeking a head start. Maybe on a college coach given the timing..... whisper it.... Jim Harbaugh? Forgot about Marrone. I think the Jim Harbaugh brand is irreparably damaged.
Buffalo Boy Posted December 3, 2019 Author Posted December 3, 2019 7 minutes ago, IgotBILLStopay said: Boy! Does the NFL have a short memory or what? Recent two time coach of the year (2013 and 2015). His starting QB is out all season and they almost beat the Saints 10 days ago! Just grab him as a special assistant!! All his experience with Can Newton will come in handy for JA's offense as well as defense against Lamar. New owner means new regime. He got two seasons and both were underwhelming.
ProcessYaDigg Posted December 3, 2019 Posted December 3, 2019 1 minute ago, SlimShady'sGhost said: Probably a strong indication Cam may be gone with a new HC I think Cam was gone after this season anyway. I don't remember which article I read earlier in the season, but it sounded like he expressed interest in playing for the Bears. 1
GunnerBill Posted December 3, 2019 Posted December 3, 2019 1 minute ago, dave mcbride said: I think the Xs and Os stuff is a little overrated, to be honest. The key attributes of good head coaches are organization skills, ability to motivate, and -- not least -- a nose for good assistants (i.e., the guys who handle the Xs and Os). Belichick skews everyone's perceptions about this, but always remember that Parcells' great skill wasn't Xs/Os, but rather hiring Belichick, Coughlin, Payton, and many others. I'm not saying it's not important, mind you; it's just that I think a really good Xs and Os guy like Adam Gase is a far worse head coach than a guy like Mike Tomlin. And I totally agree with that. Have said it on here many times. Leadership is the number 1 thing I look for in a HC candidate, way above Xs and Os. But someone has to be doing that stuff and there was none of it on display in that programme the whole series. Contrast it with Hard Knocks this year and I saw and heard Gruden and his staff correcting and coaching. 1
Rc2catch Posted December 3, 2019 Posted December 3, 2019 I read a lot of people saying it was dirty to fire him early but I’m sure he was ready to go. It’s win win for all. Carolina gets an early jump in the hiring process. They also get to try out some new younger coaches like Norv Turners son as offensive coordinator. Rivera gets to help his young coaches he hired gain better experience for their next jobs. Rivera is going to get whatever he wants at his next job. He can go on tv a little or possibly land a better head coach job next season. What’s his worst case scenario from all this? Defensive coordinator? He’s well respected around the league he will have a million opportunities. 1
DCOrange Posted December 3, 2019 Posted December 3, 2019 Very curious to see who else is gone this offseason from Carolina. In the very least, seems like a relative certainty that Cam will be moving on somewhere, and there will be a lot of musical chairs with QBs.
Buffalo Boy Posted December 3, 2019 Author Posted December 3, 2019 Going out on a limb but: CMC is not going to play next year without a new contract. With a new GM and Head coach he also might become available ( for a mint) if he decides he doesn’t want to play through a rebuild. 1
dave mcbride Posted December 3, 2019 Posted December 3, 2019 (edited) 17 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: Rivera is a meathead HC. A nice, well mannered meathead but a meathead. Pretty amazing that he lasted that long but having a franchise QB with MVP potential will take you a long way. As I was watching their Redskins debacle unfold it occurred to me that this was probably the NFL's next tear down. Keuchly, Addison(shorter contract term Shaq replacement), McCoy(shorter contract term Phillips replacement)..........all guys I could see being Bills targets this offseason. I think meathead is a little strong. In his two stints as DC at Chicago and SD, he took statistically bad defenses in the first season to elite ones in the next couple of seasons. Also, the NFL is one of the few arenas where high-functioning meatheads can thrive (even if not win it all). Rivera's best comp seems to me to be Vrabel -- both longtime NFL LBs. I mean, you can't last for a decade as an NFL LB and NOT be a meathead. 12 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: And I totally agree with that. Have said it on here many times. Leadership is the number 1 thing I look for in a HC candidate, way above Xs and Os. But someone has to be doing that stuff and there was none of it on display in that programme the whole series. Contrast it with Hard Knocks this year and I saw and heard Gruden and his staff correcting and coaching. Fair enough. I didn't watch it so really have no idea. Edited December 3, 2019 by dave mcbride
ProcessYaDigg Posted December 3, 2019 Posted December 3, 2019 http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001083603/article/jerry-jones-jason-garrett-will-coach-in-nfl-next-year Do you believe in conspiracy theories? This article came out a little sooner than the firing. I think Jerry Jones helped his buddy Jason Garrett with finding his next job.
Foxx Posted December 3, 2019 Posted December 3, 2019 14 minutes ago, Buffalo Boy said: ZILCH Rivera to Dallas? 1
ProcessYaDigg Posted December 3, 2019 Posted December 3, 2019 2 minutes ago, Rc2catch said: I read a lot of people saying it was dirty to fire him early but I’m sure he was ready to go. It’s win win for all. Carolina gets an early jump in the hiring process. They also get to try out some new younger coaches like Norv Turners son as offensive coordinator. Rivera gets to help his young coaches he hired gain better experience for their next jobs. Rivera is going to get whatever he wants at his next job. He can go on tv a little or possibly land a better head coach job next season. What’s his worst case scenario from all this? Defensive coordinator? He’s well respected around the league he will have a million opportunities. He'll take the Cowboys job after Garrett gets fired at the end of the year.
YoloinOhio Posted December 3, 2019 Posted December 3, 2019 23 minutes ago, atlbillsfan1975 said: That’s a classless move. Wait till after the season is over. Rivera is a great coach and better person. Gained a lot of respect for him after watching the Amazon series on the Panthers. They probably want to jump on one of the college guys since most of their seasons are over now 1
ProcessYaDigg Posted December 3, 2019 Posted December 3, 2019 3 minutes ago, DCOrange said: Very curious to see who else is gone this offseason from Carolina. In the very least, seems like a relative certainty that Cam will be moving on somewhere, and there will be a lot of musical chairs with QBs. I think Marrone and Foles will be done in Jacksonville too.
Augie Posted December 3, 2019 Posted December 3, 2019 36 minutes ago, Logic said: Perry Fewell -- second time interim head coach. Interesting career note, that. Also: I wonder if it's hard for Panthers fans to see the best parts of their front office/coaching staff (Beane, McDermott, et al) leave while Rivera remained, only to then see Rivera get fired any way. Fewell is “The Fitz” of coaching! 1 1
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