dollars 2 donuts Posted December 3, 2019 Posted December 3, 2019 (edited) Throwing in a little butterfly effect, though, if he had the 5th year would he be the same Shaq we are getting now? I actually think he showed us a little something last year. Mods, I’m being honest here, I did not check if this was an already existing topic and it might be. Please feel free to lock this puppy up if it is. Edited December 3, 2019 by dollars 2 donuts
loveorhatembillsfan4life Posted December 3, 2019 Posted December 3, 2019 I don’t mind the move. Not sure it was warranted last season. He’s playing well and I hope we can keep him around. I trust Beane will have a value for him and stick to his guns one way or another.
billsfanmiami(oh) Posted December 3, 2019 Posted December 3, 2019 I think they did the right thing, although I think Shaq has been having a very nice year. I think he’s had “motivation” issues in past offseasons, strange how a big payday hanging over the head can light the fire... 1 1
Big Turk Posted December 3, 2019 Posted December 3, 2019 (edited) I don't think he is worth that much...he has been playing well, but is he really worth top 15 money at his position?? Someone is going to overpay for him...if we can get him back at a reasonable deal I would say go for it, he has earned that, but he has not earned what some team will pay for him to be full time and likely not produce like a full time player. Edited December 3, 2019 by matter2003 4
ProcessTruster Posted December 3, 2019 Posted December 3, 2019 (edited) amazing how hard players will play when they don't know if they'll have a job next year or at least whether they will be anything more than a backup. they pushed him and he has responded. now they need to decide whether he was just playing for a contract or whether this is the real shaq. McBeanes will make the right choice Edited December 3, 2019 by ProcessTruster 1
BarleyNY Posted December 3, 2019 Posted December 3, 2019 Nope. No way. Shaq is a decent player, but he’s not worth close to what his option year would’ve paid him - $9.45M. That also would’ve set the floor for a new contract. That average salary per year would rank 21st among DEs. No thanks. He is not close to that kind of player. However he is a player that I’d like to have in my 3 DE rotation, but I’m not happy if he’s one of my starting 2. I’d be happy to pay him accordingly. If not, there’s other guys out there to fill that role. 7
stevewin Posted December 3, 2019 Posted December 3, 2019 10 minutes ago, billsfanmiami(oh) said: I think they did the right thing, although I think Shaq has been having a very nice year. I think he’s had “motivation” issues in past offseasons, strange how a big payday hanging over the head can light the fire... That's one of my concerns honestly - if he needed a contract year to motivate him to play well, once he gets paid will he still be motivated. Obviously the hope would be that he bought into The Process and his approach/mindset has been changed going forward.
Kirby Jackson Posted December 3, 2019 Posted December 3, 2019 (edited) I thought that they should have at the time. With the amount of space that they have I thought it raised the floor for the DL. I wasn’t irate when they didn’t but wanted them to. As I sit here today I feel the same way. I would have preferred it but I’m not going to lose a second of sleep that they didn’t. Edited December 3, 2019 by Kirby Jackson 1
oldmanfan Posted December 3, 2019 Posted December 3, 2019 I'm OK with not extending him. HE's had a pretty solid year this year, and I think they can use the$$ they would save from letting Murphy go, having Zo retire, plus the large amount of cap space they have anyway to resign him.
strive_for_five_guy Posted December 3, 2019 Posted December 3, 2019 6 minutes ago, stevewin said: That's one of my concerns honestly - if he needed a contract year to motivate him to play well, once he gets paid will he still be motivated. Obviously the hope would be that he bought into The Process and his approach/mindset has been changed going forward. I think the motivation concern is fair. How about try to re-sign on a 2-3 year incentive-laden deal, to keep motivation high? If he gets a better offer elsewhere so be it, but the motivation is a risk some other team can take on then. 1
Paul Costa Posted December 3, 2019 Posted December 3, 2019 No. He’s played well. We will have a opportunity to resign him and give him what he deserves. If not we get a comp pick correct?
SoCal Deek Posted December 3, 2019 Posted December 3, 2019 This is how the system works in the NFL. It’s a balancing act between players and management. The real question is whether we’ll start to see players who want to stay in Buffalo because the team finally appears to be winning! If not....I’m not really sure what The Process and The Culture are all about.
Patrick Duffy Posted December 3, 2019 Posted December 3, 2019 2 minutes ago, Paul Costa said: No. He’s played well. We will have a opportunity to resign him and give him what he deserves. If not we get a comp pick correct? Well I hope they do because me personally, I'd much rather have him than a comp pick.
Dat Posted December 3, 2019 Posted December 3, 2019 I still think it was the right move, no regrets. With that 20/20 hindsight though, I do regret not locking up Jordan Phillips for 3-4 years. 2
Putin Posted December 3, 2019 Posted December 3, 2019 22 minutes ago, matter2003 said: I don't think he is worth that much...he has been playing well, but is he really worth top 15 money at his position?? Someone is going to overpay for him...if we can get him back at a reasonable deal I would say go for it, he has earned that, but he has not earned what some team will pay for him to be full time and likely not produce like a full time player. Who’s been playing better then him on our DL? He’s been awesome against the run and very effective / actually creating havoc in the backfield/ rushing the passer
Dopey Posted December 3, 2019 Posted December 3, 2019 Shaq was brought in by Rex and crew as a bad fit for their scheme. He was a good prospect coming out of college as a 4-3 DE who was not a huge pass rusher. Good defender who holds his own in the run game setting the edge. Whaley had some here believing he was going to rack up sacks in Rex's defense. Not his game. Even a novice like me knew that and didn't understand the pic for the scheme we had at the time. Maybe Rex convinced Whaley too. That same year we drafted Ragland and Adolphus Washington. I hate you, Rex. Shaq has progressed with better coaching and a scheme he should have been drafted into from the beginning. I'm not buying the "he needed the motivation of a contract year" talk. He needed better coaching and to be played where he fits. Rex almost wrecked the career of a good young player. Having said this, it was smart not to give him the 5th year. We are working the cap well and I trust Beane. Hopefully Shaq appreciates what this staff has done to help his career along and gives us a serious shot at signing him. Not necessarily a hometown discount, just the opportunity to see if we want to match any offers. 2
ALF Posted December 3, 2019 Posted December 3, 2019 (edited) 5th year option would have been Shaq Lawson, DE, $9.451MM (Bills) The franchise tag would be too expensive , will be interesting, I like an incentive contract to keep a player honest Edited December 3, 2019 by ALF
badassgixxer05 Posted December 3, 2019 Posted December 3, 2019 All hes proved so far this year is that hes a solid player, but not an elite player. He will get paid as such, whether that's by us or someone else is tbd.. I like his passion and energy hes shown this year. Hope they keep him around.
thenorthremembers Posted December 3, 2019 Posted December 3, 2019 I think likable players tend to skew our perception of who they are talent wise. Shaq's 5th year option is akin to the opinion of people who want to pay Jordan Phillips 11 million dollars next year. Shaq is a rotational defensive end who provides a lot of solid play, but he not picking up his 5th year option probably ends up saving the Bills 4 or so million next year if they choose to resign him. Always thought Brandon Graham was Shaq's ceiling, but I dont think he is playing to that level yet. If the Bills want to resign him for 7 or so million next year I'd be all for it, the 5th year option would have cost them more.
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