Worried about Oliver? Read and watch this !

[Royale with Cheese]

3 hours ago, IgotBILLStopay said:

Through 10 played games the stats appear to be 

 

Player                    Tackles          Sacks

Donald                     28                  4

Cox                          32                  1

Atkins                      16                  3

McCoy                     27                  3

Oliver                       28                  5

 

Oliver is no doubt justifying his lofty pick status

 

 

In view of the Jets Nation labeling Quinnen Williams a bust, here are his stats through 8 played games

 

23 Tackles and 1.5 sacks

Supposedly they are using him at the nose and cut eating blocks.  If that’s true, what a terrible use of a top 5 pick.

[ny33]

13 hours ago, MJS said:

I'm serious about representing data correctly. I have no problems with Oliver.

Agree- the best thing to do would have been to show totals through 1-8 and 9-12 for the others. 

[OZBILLS]

4 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said:

Supposedly they are using him at the nose and cut eating blocks.  If that’s true, what a terrible use of a top 5 pick.

Which is why we should get in early and offer a late pick. they'll cut their losses quickly.

[Thurman#1]

18 hours ago, DJB said:

https://thedraftnetwork.com/articles/buffalo-bills-rookie-dt-ed-oliver-is-heating-up

 

Production is a poor way to measure the play of DTs, but the anticipation for Oliver to become an immediate star left room for disappointment. Truth is, rookies at this position do not typically light up the box score in their first eight professional games. Here are some notable NFL star defensive tackles and their production across their first eight games in the league: 

• Aaron Donald: 20 tackles, one sack
• Fletcher Cox: 16 tackles, one sack
• Geno Atkins: Five tackles, 1/2 sack
• Gerald McCoy 14 tackles, zero sacks

 

Ed Oliver 28 tackles, 5 sacks, 2 PDef ,  1 FF (12 game totals)

 

 

 

I didn't read the article, but the figures at the end there are way out of whack.

 

After his first eight games in the league, Aaron Donald had three sacks and Oliver had one. Donald had 22 tackles and Oliver 20. Oliver had one pass defended. Donald had an absurd 11 tackles for loss, and Oliver only one.

 

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/O/OlivEd00.htm

 

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/D/DonaAa00/gamelog/2014/

 

EDIT: I see, you compared Oliver's 12 game figures to Donald's (and Cox's and Atkins' and McCoy's) eight game figures. You know that's not exactly fair to Donald or the others, right?  FURTHER EDIT: I see others have already picked up on this.

 

Not that I'm not loving Oliver. He's been effective all year even though not putting up the big numbers early.

Edited December 3, 2019 by Thurman#1

[njbuff]

If Oliver continues to get better and becomes a huge problem for the Bills opponents OL's................

 

the sky is the limit for this team the next half decade.

 

But we shall see.

[CLTbills]

21 hours ago, MJS said:

Why are we taking 12 games for Oliver? Just to make his stats look better?

 

How about just the first 8 games? 20 tackles, 1 Sack.

Funny how stats are so easy to cherry pick to prove a point...

[Sherlock Holmes]

7 hours ago, OZBILLS said:

Which is why we should get in early and offer a late pick. they'll cut their losses quickly.

I read some team "who wouldn't take no for an answer" offered them a blockbuster package for Quinnen at trade deadline... Didn't take it

[NewEra]

6 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

I didn't read the article, but the figures at the end there are way out of whack.

 

After his first eight games in the league, Aaron Donald had three sacks and Oliver had one. Donald had 22 tackles and Oliver 20. Oliver had one pass defended. Donald had an absurd 11 tackles for loss, and Oliver only one.

 

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/O/OlivEd00.htm

 

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/D/DonaAa00/gamelog/2014/

 

EDIT: I see, you compared Oliver's 12 game figures to Donald's (and Cox's and Atkins' and McCoy's) eight game figures. You know that's not exactly fair to Donald or the others, right?  FURTHER EDIT: I see others have already picked up on this.

 

Not that I'm not loving Oliver. He's been effective all year even though not putting up the big numbers early.

This has been pointed out multiple times in this thread.  
 

the OP said that it’s not to directly compare who’s been better, rather to show that those great players didn’t do very much to start their career (as there were some fans stating oliver hasn’t done anything)

1 hour ago, CLTbills said:

Funny how stats are so easy to cherry pick to prove a point...

Funny how some people don’t actually read the threads that they troll

[NewEra]

18 hours ago, Augie said:

 

Wasn’t he viewed as a top 3 guy early in the season? Not sure what happened, if it was disappointing play on the field, or the silly coat stuff, or something else but I never expected him to fall to us. I thought that was a huge break (with a special thank you to Giants and Lions), then people here started questioning if he was a bust a few games into his rookie season. Geez, it can take a little time for the young guys! 

He was viewed as a top 1-2 guy.  Oliver and Bosa. 
 

still can’t believe he fell to us......and that Detroit took a tight end.

 

edit: and that the giants took Danny “Dimes” LMAO!!  Fitz 2.0 imo

Edited December 3, 2019 by NewEra

[CLTbills]

26 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Funny how some people don’t actually read the threads that they troll

Funny that I read the thread and actually am not trolling. I actually agree with using the 12-game stat versus the 8-game stat. 12 games is a larger sample size and eliminates some outliers, or at least reduces their impact on the overall statistic. All I'm saying is that in general, people pick the stat that proves their point while conveniently ignoring the stat that doesn't. The OP started the thread on the "first eight games" premise, but never mentioned Oliver's first eight in comparison. He used Oliver's first TWELVE compared to their eight. When you pull the other players' first twelve and compare to Oliver, they are right in line. But the OP was trying to show how Oliver had actually performed better than those players, which isn't the case.

 

Imagine thinking everybody that didn't agree with you 100% is a troll.

Edited December 3, 2019 by CLTbills

[NewEra]

27 minutes ago, CLTbills said:

Funny that I read the thread and actually am not trolling. I actually agree with using the 12-game stat versus the 8-game stat. 12 games is a larger sample size and eliminates some outliers, or at least reduces their impact on the overall statistic. All I'm saying is that in general, people pick the stat that proves their point while conveniently ignoring the stat that doesn't. The OP started the thread on the "first eight games" premise, but never mentioned Oliver's first eight in comparison. He used Oliver's first TWELVE compared to their eight. When you pull the other players' first twelve and compare to Oliver, they are right in line. But the OP was trying to show how Oliver had actually performed better than those players, which isn't the case.

 

Imagine thinking everybody that didn't agree with you 100% is a troll.

Obviously.....

 

he was trying to say that just because Oliver doesn’t have great stats through his first half season doesn’t mean he won’t be great.  All of the most recent greats started similarly. 
 

Imagine trying to call out every person that makes a point and uses stats to back up their point while ignoring the stats that don’t?  It’s a daunting task.  
 

Yes, we all realize that people pick the stats that prove their point and conveniently ignore the stats that doesn’t.  If that’s your contribution to the thread.

 

the purpose of the thread wasn’t to show that Oliver was better.  He was too lazy to compile the stats of his first 8 games.  It’s a message board thread, it’s ok to be lazy.  

[Dopey]

On 12/2/2019 at 10:36 AM, I'm Spartacus said:

Good thing our players are well grounded, and probably don't listen to most of the negative social media comments about them!

Same for our staff.

[Dopey]

I had high hopes for Ed and still do. It may have taken a while for him to get used to a new position in the NFL. He played NT in a 3-4 in college and excelled. He was taking on 2 blockers on most every snap. As he gains experience in his new position, I think he'll develop into a stud. Even so, he has done pretty good for a rookie. 

[John from Riverside]

On 12/2/2019 at 8:49 AM, Royale with Cheese said:

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He was already called a bust on here by some.

He's figuring it out now.  I wouldn't be surprised if he gets to 10 sacks this season.  OMG how awesome would that be?

Only the foolish ones