njbuff Posted November 27, 2019 Posted November 27, 2019 To me, this offense doesn’t complete the 180 until they get rid of these drive-killing penalties that continues to plague them from day one this season. Getting better, OBVIOUSLY, but the penalties have to stop cause if you kill your own drives against good teams, you ain’t beating them. 1
Hapless Bills Fan Posted November 27, 2019 Posted November 27, 2019 7 hours ago, GunnerBill said: So obviously I was being slightly tongue in cheek. But Daboll was never doing as bad a job as reading this forum would have you believe. Certainly there was the typical over-the-top overreaction "Fire Daboll!" "Daboll Sucks!" that we get from some. A little "HA!" moment from this week's pressers. The reporters were pressing Beas hard for some locker room fodder against Dallas and he wasn't giving them any. "What feelings are we talking about here?" "I'm on another team now" etc Refused to be negative about Dallas. Positive about Buffalo, said he loves it here, is getting to do everything he wanted to do, wants to play here until the wheels fall off, "love the guys, love the coaches, Daboll is one of the coolest coordinators I've ever had" (even that is ambiguous enough to be non-controversial - he's saying he's cool, not he's smartest or best or anything). Then in Josh Allen's presser, asked a lot about Beasley and what having him here has meant. Said the thing that Beasley doesn't get credit for is that his football IQ is extremely high, that he's sort of like a QB out there, "concepts that he likes that he's given to Coach Daboll that we've incorporated into our offense and they're key core plays for us" Solved: Why Beasley thinks Daboll is the coolest OC he's ever had: because Beasley is giving him play concepts and Daboll is listening and using them. Caveat: hope that isn't clueing the Dallas offense into something more than they see on film, if the concepts came from Dallas. (or maybe they were ideas Beasley had and the Dallas offense wouldn't listen.) Humor: A reporter asked if Beas had ever been in the Dallas visitor's locker room. He said no, it'd be a first for him. Then he said very straight "I'm sure it looks pretty similar to the other one, though" and cracked a slow smile. I've never liked Beasley as much as I did watching that interview. Came across as a likeable guy with a dry sense of humor. 3
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted November 27, 2019 Posted November 27, 2019 14 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said: To be fair, I kinda think there was a huge shift for Daboll and the offense in the last couple of games. In the last 2 games alone in contrast to the rest of the season: -Daboll went into the box for a bird's eye view -The offense began running the no-huddle -"Over the last two weeks, partly due to the no-huddle, the Bills have jumped from 26th in the percentage of runs out of shotgun (16 percent), to the fourth-highest in the league (38 percent)." That last bit was also taken from the article posted in the OP. I was certainly one of the ones you're calling out here because I had issues with Daboll. Love what he did the last couple weeks. I hope he keeps this up and, as Turner indicates in his title, maintains this as the Bills' offensive identity. Remember when Thurm would start his runs from the shotgun formation the majority of the time? It's actually incredibly versatile and can help keep defenses guessing as to what you are going to do: https://buffalonews.com/1990/12/28/bills-receiving-corps-thin-for-season-finale-beebes-injury-causes-shuffling/ 1
toto8 Posted November 27, 2019 Posted November 27, 2019 14 hours ago, Shaw66 said: Yeah, I thought of that when I saw this thread. So, putting together what you said and what this report said and what Allen said, Allen and Brown must have practiced just a straight double move during the week. Allen said in his post game interview that he and Brown ran it about 10 times. So during the game, Brown recognized what he recognized and they decided to run the play action with the in-cut look followed by the cut to go deep. Pretty cool that they put it together on the sideline. And Troutdog says Brown said Monday that they have been practicing that play. So who knows? Well I heard John Brown's locker room interview right after the game and that's how I found out about the adjustment. I didn't watch Josh Allen's post game presser so when you said Josh said that I didn't know he mentioned it. Maybe like you say the have been practicing the double move route but they didn't implement it on a play. Smoke saw Harris jumping the slant and they decided to adjust on the fly. Which is pretty refreshing since in the past we didn't have good coaches that will make in game adjustments.
transplantbillsfan Posted November 27, 2019 Author Posted November 27, 2019 12 hours ago, GunnerBill said: So obviously I was being slightly tongue in cheek. But Daboll was never doing as bad a job as reading this forum would have you believe. True. Heck, even in that excerpt I posted from the article, we learn that Daboll used a running play that lost 3 yards to set up that TD play. I definitely agree there's been an execution problem at points this year. Joe B at one point in one of his All-22s pointed to several plays in a single game where we were targeting Foster on a deep ball but we just couldn't execute for one reason or another. Allen actually hitting that pass was obviously huge. If he didn't hit it, we would have been looking at a 3rd and 13 and I'm sure a lot of us would have then questioned Daboll. So I'll agree that I've probably been too harsh on Daboll. I do think the changes in terms of going up top, running no-huddle and running out of the shotgun much more are great mid-season adjustments. 1
transplantbillsfan Posted November 27, 2019 Author Posted November 27, 2019 6 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Certainly there was the typical over-the-top overreaction "Fire Daboll!" "Daboll Sucks!" that we get from some. A little "HA!" moment from this week's pressers. The reporters were pressing Beas hard for some locker room fodder against Dallas and he wasn't giving them any. "What feelings are we talking about here?" "I'm on another team now" etc Refused to be negative about Dallas. Positive about Buffalo, said he loves it here, is getting to do everything he wanted to do, wants to play here until the wheels fall off, "love the guys, love the coaches, Daboll is one of the coolest coordinators I've ever had" (even that is ambiguous enough to be non-controversial - he's saying he's cool, not he's smartest or best or anything). Then in Josh Allen's presser, asked a lot about Beasley and what having him here has meant. Said the thing that Beasley doesn't get credit for is that his football IQ is extremely high, that he's sort of like a QB out there, "concepts that he likes that he's given to Coach Daboll that we've incorporated into our offense and they're key core plays for us" Solved: Why Beasley thinks Daboll is the coolest OC he's ever had: because Beasley is giving him play concepts and Daboll is listening and using them. Caveat: hope that isn't clueing the Dallas offense into something more than they see on film, if the concepts came from Dallas. (or maybe they were ideas Beasley had and the Dallas offense wouldn't listen.) Humor: A reporter asked if Beas had ever been in the Dallas visitor's locker room. He said no, it'd be a first for him. Then he said very straight "I'm sure it looks pretty similar to the other one, though" and cracked a slow smile. I've never liked Beasley as much as I did watching that interview. Came across as a likeable guy with a dry sense of humor. If Beasley and our passing offense gets shut down tomorrow, I'm going to assume the Dallas coaching staff trolls this message board and read your post and I'm holding you accountable if we lose
H2o Posted November 27, 2019 Posted November 27, 2019 19 hours ago, GunnerBill said: But I thought Daboll sucked and was at fault for all our ills? I definitely read that here. Guilty, though you have to admit his play calling has been dramatically better since going into the booth. It gives him the chance to see the entire field and how the defense is reacting to each play such as in situations like this.
PromoTheRobot Posted November 27, 2019 Posted November 27, 2019 Memo to Harris: Don't woof and lose. 1 1 1
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted November 27, 2019 Posted November 27, 2019 I love they literally fooled and beat Harris for that long TD. He was running his mouth about Allen last week. 2
Hapless Bills Fan Posted November 27, 2019 Posted November 27, 2019 1 hour ago, transplantbillsfan said: If Beasley and our passing offense gets shut down tomorrow, I'm going to assume the Dallas coaching staff trolls this message board and read your post and I'm holding you accountable if we lose Trolling this message board so much more productive than mining interviews on buffalobills.com? All righty then! I drink my bottle of Josh. 2017 vintage, I do my part. Never did get an answer about whether I should open it at dinner (1 pm) or wait until game time 1 hour ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: I love they literally fooled and beat Harris for that long TD. He was running his mouth about Allen last week. He was doing an Olympic-grade backpedal postgame 1
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted November 27, 2019 Posted November 27, 2019 2 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I drink my bottle of Josh. 2017 vintage, I do my part. Never did get an answer about whether I should open it at dinner (1 pm) or wait until game time Game time obvs
Shaw66 Posted November 27, 2019 Posted November 27, 2019 3 hours ago, toto8 said: Well I heard John Brown's locker room interview right after the game and that's how I found out about the adjustment. I didn't watch Josh Allen's post game presser so when you said Josh said that I didn't know he mentioned it. Maybe like you say the have been practicing the double move route but they didn't implement it on a play. Smoke saw Harris jumping the slant and they decided to adjust on the fly. Which is pretty refreshing since in the past we didn't have good coaches that will make in game adjustments. It's actually kind of shocking. We've spent years and years waiting for a competent football team, one that has the talent to make plays and the determination to do the little things right, and here we are, watching it happen. When's the last time we heard about the Bills make a big-time adjustment followed by a big-time play?
toto8 Posted November 28, 2019 Posted November 28, 2019 2 hours ago, Shaw66 said: It's actually kind of shocking. We've spent years and years waiting for a competent football team, one that has the talent to make plays and the determination to do the little things right, and here we are, watching it happen. When's the last time we heard about the Bills make a big-time adjustment followed by a big-time play? Since around 20 to 25 years ago (Marv Levy) or maybe never. Gosh we've had bad teams. I hope they win tomorrow and they keep improving.
transplantbillsfan Posted November 28, 2019 Author Posted November 28, 2019 18 hours ago, toto8 said: Since around 20 to 25 years ago (Marv Levy) or maybe never. Gosh we've had bad teams. I hope they win tomorrow and they keep improving. #Metoo Wait... something seems little fishy about that
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