transplantbillsfan Posted November 27, 2019 Posted November 27, 2019 Latest breakdown on The Athletic from Erik Turner is interesting because it sets up how the Bills essentially ran the same RPO play throughout the game. Then this: https://theathletic.com/1411252/2019/11/26/have-the-bills-found-their-offensive-identify-dissecting-the-fast-paced-game-plan-against-the-broncos/ The consistent use of this run concept paired with slant — flat and curl — combinations lulled the defense to sleep. The Bills attacked the Broncos with the run and dink, and dunked when they wanted to pass. But the tempo and somewhat simple play design helped the players and staff make easy in-game adjustments. Wide receiver John Brown took notes on Chris Harris throughout the game when he ran these combinations, and that intel led to a touchdown early in the fourth quarter. Daboll told the media that they “had run a similar formation three times, kind of the same route,” Brown “did a good job of communicating to Chad Hall,” and Hall relayed the message to Daboll. Brown told Hall that Harris was “jumping inside, preparing for the slant or curl route,” and you can see that happen on every single play above. So on the Bills’ second drive of the fourth quarter, they set up the deep shot to Brown with a run out of this 4-strong formation. The run lost 3 yards, but it had a significant effect on the next play. The staff “drew something up on there on the sideline off of what John felt out there,” Daboll said afterward. Since Harris was jumping the curls and slants, they threw in a “sluggo” route to push the ball down the field. As Brown glances at Allen, Harris quickly plants to drive on the apparent slant route. Allen executes the play fake, then a series of pump fakes, to get Harris to bite. The six-man protection holds firm and Allen hits Brown for a 34-yard touchdown. It was one of those plays that looked the same to the Broncos, until it didn’t, and it put the Bills up by three possessions. This was also Allen’s first completion over 30 air yards this season — a layup play design to help Allen get his confidence back. 4 5 1
MJS Posted November 27, 2019 Posted November 27, 2019 6 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said: The six-man protection holds firm and Allen hits Brown for a 34-yard touchdown. It was one of those plays that looked the same to the Broncos, until it didn’t, and it put the Bills up by three possessions. This was also Allen’s first completion over 30 air yards this season — a layup play design to help Allen get his confidence back. Bull. The play was designed to score points. Allen's confidence had nothing to do with it. And Allen doesn't lack confidence anyway. 13 1 1
toto8 Posted November 27, 2019 Posted November 27, 2019 Just what I pointed out to you @Shaw66 in your Rockpile review the other day.
GunnerBill Posted November 27, 2019 Posted November 27, 2019 But I thought Daboll sucked and was at fault for all our ills? I definitely read that here. 2 2
Fixxxer Posted November 27, 2019 Posted November 27, 2019 1 minute ago, Coach Tuesday said: Growth and chemistry
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted November 27, 2019 Posted November 27, 2019 (edited) 8 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: But I thought Daboll sucked and was at fault for all our ills? I definitely read that here. Daboll ^^^^^^^ __________McDermott is better than __________Daboll_______McDermott_______ Edited November 27, 2019 by Ridgewaycynic2013 More effort than it was worth. ? 3 3
TroutDog Posted November 27, 2019 Posted November 27, 2019 Smoke discussed this one One Bills Live yesterday (Monday). He said they have been practicing this exact scenario. I’m glad they did!!! ? 2
atlbillsfan1975 Posted November 27, 2019 Posted November 27, 2019 That’s what good offenses do, make adjustments. Brown has DB’s totally guessing. If they play off him Allen has been hitting him. When the DB’s play up and try to jam Brown, he makes a move of a short pattern then goes deep. I suspect we are going to see a ton more of this type of play. 3
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted November 27, 2019 Posted November 27, 2019 (edited) Adjustments in a game? That’s unheard of!!!! What’s next ? Targeting rookies? 5 minutes ago, TroutDog said: Smoke discussed this one One Bills Live yesterday (Monday). He said they have been practicing this exact scenario. I’m glad they did!!! ? Practice! Practice! We don’t need no stinking practice. Edited November 27, 2019 by SlimShady'sGhost
transplantbillsfan Posted November 27, 2019 Author Posted November 27, 2019 33 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: But I thought Daboll sucked and was at fault for all our ills? I definitely read that here. To be fair, I kinda think there was a huge shift for Daboll and the offense in the last couple of games. In the last 2 games alone in contrast to the rest of the season: -Daboll went into the box for a bird's eye view -The offense began running the no-huddle -"Over the last two weeks, partly due to the no-huddle, the Bills have jumped from 26th in the percentage of runs out of shotgun (16 percent), to the fourth-highest in the league (38 percent)." That last bit was also taken from the article posted in the OP. I was certainly one of the ones you're calling out here because I had issues with Daboll. Love what he did the last couple weeks. I hope he keeps this up and, as Turner indicates in his title, maintains this as the Bills' offensive identity. 2 1
Hapless Bills Fan Posted November 27, 2019 Posted November 27, 2019 Thanks Transplant. This is great stuff. 1 hour ago, GunnerBill said: But I thought Daboll sucked and was at fault for all our ills? I definitely read that here. Hello, Gunner. I know you understand the concept that one can criticize a player or coach for their performance in certain games, or in certain aspects of a game, and then praise them in different games when they make corrections to the performance one critiques. I have read that right here and from you. Over the last couple weeks, Daboll has done a bunch of stuff I wanted to see: -get less "cute" with his personnel packages and usage; get the best players on the field more -simplify play calls -rely more on the run, especially in crap weather So far so good 1 2 1
Hapless Bills Fan Posted November 27, 2019 Posted November 27, 2019 1 hour ago, MJS said: Bull. The play was designed to score points. Allen's confidence had nothing to do with it. And Allen doesn't lack confidence anyway. I agree with this. The whole "Oh Noes! No completion over 30 yards!" is true, but also pretty much a media-created mare's nest. It's pretty much said straight out in McDermott's pressers: it's a matter of building the rep counts, which is something the coaches put together for the players every week. Daboll and Dorsey had been building rep counts for Allen and the WRs that focused on the 10-20 yd bread-n-butter passes. In the last couple games, they added more rep counts on some deeper passes to Brown, then in back to back games they hit them.
DrDawkinstein Posted November 27, 2019 Posted November 27, 2019 1 hour ago, GunnerBill said: But I thought Daboll sucked and was at fault for all our ills? I definitely read that here. He did and was. But he made some changes and is getting better. Both can be true, and that's all ok. 2 2
KauaiBuffaloSports Posted November 27, 2019 Posted November 27, 2019 34 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: He did and was. But he made some changes and is getting better. Both can be true, and that's all ok. I agree... Daboll obviously made some changes starting with moving up to the booth. I have to tip my hat to McDermott on this one too. He stated that things needed to change after the Browns game, and they have. He knows when to step in and shift the mindset/game plan when coordinators are failing. This happened last year with Frazier also when the defense looked bad at the beginning of the season. After that, you could see the defense blitzing more and taking a more aggressive mindset. 1
Shaw66 Posted November 27, 2019 Posted November 27, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, toto8 said: Just what I pointed out to you @Shaw66 in your Rockpile review the other day. Yeah, I thought of that when I saw this thread. So, putting together what you said and what this report said and what Allen said, Allen and Brown must have practiced just a straight double move during the week. Allen said in his post game interview that he and Brown ran it about 10 times. So during the game, Brown recognized what he recognized and they decided to run the play action with the in-cut look followed by the cut to go deep. Pretty cool that they put it together on the sideline. And Troutdog says Brown said Monday that they have been practicing that play. So who knows? Edited November 27, 2019 by Shaw66
billsbackto81 Posted November 27, 2019 Posted November 27, 2019 2 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said: He did and was. But he made some changes and is getting better. Both can be true, and that's all ok. True. Still not sold on Daboll and his lack of killer instinct. Whether that's coming from McD, who knows? I do enjoy watching the increased tempo that's been implemented lately as there appears to be more fluidity in the execution of plays. The run, run, run and punt gets frustrating when their trying to ice the game with a 10 point lead. Even though the offense has been better it's still far from what's needed. This D as good as it is won't shut down the better offenses in the league all game long. 1
GunnerBill Posted November 27, 2019 Posted November 27, 2019 4 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said: He did and was. But he made some changes and is getting better. Both can be true, and that's all ok. So obviously I was being slightly tongue in cheek. But Daboll was never doing as bad a job as reading this forum would have you believe. 2
Kmart128 Posted November 27, 2019 Posted November 27, 2019 5 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said: He did and was. But he made some changes and is getting better. Both can be true, and that's all ok. Fans are often to critical... not all plays are going to work. Fans get mad over one play but this shows that they shouldnt. Bad plays could be often used to give looks and set up for a huge play later in the game when it matters more. Some fans do need to take a step back and remember that.
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