thebandit27 Posted November 25, 2019 Posted November 25, 2019 4 minutes ago, NoSaint said: but you benefit from a year in his prime at $1.8m in cash paid. So it’s all a trade off. its not like the bills and his agent aren’t looking at his overall career worth based on when it slots up though. tagged on the end of this deal, or replacing his final year? It makes sense to me to replace his option year 1 minute ago, SoTier said: I'll believe that the Bills value Tre White enough to pay him the going rate for a top DB when they actually pay him. They've never paid one of the great/good DBs they've developed market value in two decades, most notably when they let Antoine Winfield walk away about fifteen years ago and most recently when they let All Pro Stephon Gilmore walk. What they do about White will tell us whether the Beane/McDermott regime is truly different from their predecessors or if it's the same old/same old. They gave Terrence McGee a big contract--more than what NO gave Jabari Greer, who got CB1 money at the time.
Kelly the Dog Posted November 25, 2019 Posted November 25, 2019 28 minutes ago, SoTier said: I'll believe that the Bills value Tre White enough to pay him the going rate for a top DB when they actually pay him. They've never paid one of the great/good DBs they've developed market value in two decades, most notably when they let Antoine Winfield walk away about fifteen years ago and most recently when they let All Pro Stephon Gilmore walk. What they do about White will tell us whether the Beane/McDermott regime is truly different from their predecessors or if it's the same old/same old. There is no same ol, same ol, regardless of what they do. There is no connection whatsoever, zero, 0.00%, between the previous ownership and 100% different decision makers (unless you want to count Overdorf) making those choices. No trend. No learn from history. No we always do this. You, and other people that make the connection are the only connection whatsoever. They are 100% mutually exclusive. 1
DrDawkinstein Posted November 25, 2019 Posted November 25, 2019 16 hours ago, ganesh said: White won't be paid next year. They will simply pick up his 5th year option. They first have to pay Poyer, Phillips and Dawkins at first level and Lawson at 2nd level. Add Milano to your list for 2021 extensions. Phillips and Lawson will be handled this offseason well before a White extension or option is discussed. But all that said, White should be the first in line to get re-signed. Mr Beane needs to pay him sooner rather than later. Otherwise, it's the "Same Ol Bills" FO, pissing off their homegrown players and alienating our guys. With ~$91M in cap space next year, they can get Tre (and everyone else) paid now. I've heard talk that the FO plans on letting Poyer walk and they're planning on Jaquan Johnson developing into that role. 4 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said: There is no same ol, same ol, regardless of what they do. There is no connection whatsoever, zero, 0.00%, between the previous ownership and 100% different decision makers (unless you want to count Overdorf) making those choices. No trend. No learn from history. No we always do this. You, and other people that make the connection are the only connection whatsoever. They are 100% mutually exclusive. There hasnt been any connection, but if they screw up their first major negotiation with a Bills-drafted player (who happens to be CB), then it will be a tough look to shake. Trying to take the cheap route and stick him with an option and no extension until his contract is fully expired would certainly be "same ol Bills". 38 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: It makes sense to me to replace his option year They gave Terrence McGee a big contract--more than what NO gave Jabari Greer, who got CB1 money at the time. Whaley also extended McKelvin and Aaron Williams.
SoTier Posted November 25, 2019 Posted November 25, 2019 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said: There is no same ol, same ol, regardless of what they do. There is no connection whatsoever, zero, 0.00%, between the previous ownership and 100% different decision makers (unless you want to count Overdorf) making those choices. No trend. No learn from history. No we always do this. You, and other people that make the connection are the only connection whatsoever. They are 100% mutually exclusive. Take your own advice and learn from history. Russ Brandon rose to the top in the Bills organization because his views reflected those of the owner, Ralph Wilson. Since Pegula not only kept Brandon on but promoted him to run both the Bills and Sabres, it's reasonable to believe that Pegula was good with Brandon's philosophy on running the team. Since both McDermott and Beane were hired when Brandon was in charge, there's no reason to think that they don't share Brandon's philosophy about paying players -- especially DBs -- until they prove otherwise. White will be their first test since none of the other players in the 2017 draft class will command top dollar for their positions Edited November 25, 2019 by SoTier
aristocrat Posted November 25, 2019 Posted November 25, 2019 Nice to pay a guy top dollar who is top dollar
Kelly the Dog Posted November 25, 2019 Posted November 25, 2019 9 minutes ago, SoTier said: Take your own advice and learn from history. Russ Brandon rose to the top in the Bills organization because his views reflected those of the owner, Ralph Wilson. Since Pegula not only kept Brandon on but promoted him to run both the Bills and Sabres, it's reasonable to believe that Pegula was good with Brandon's philosophy on running the team. Since both McDermott and Beane were hired when Brandon was in charge, there's no reason to think that they don't share Brandon's philosophy about paying players -- especially DBs -- until they prove otherwise. White will be their first test since none of the other players in the 2017 draft class will command top dollar for their positions By getting rid of VIRTUALLY EVERYONE FROM THE PREVIOUS REGIME outside of Hughes, Lawson and maybe Lorax), they have already proven that there is zero connection.
DrDawkinstein Posted November 25, 2019 Posted November 25, 2019 2 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said: By getting rid of VIRTUALLY EVERYONE FROM THE PREVIOUS REGIME outside of Hughes, Lawson and maybe Lorax), they have already proven that there is zero connection. You're being way too literal here. Doesnt matter whether or not there is any physical/human connection to the old regimes. EVEN WORSE then, if the new FO makes the same mistakes as the past. McD already said they didnt make any trades to avoid the same mistakes of the past. So HE knows there could be a connection based on decision making.
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted November 25, 2019 Posted November 25, 2019 I put this in the GMFB Love thread but it s/b here too 35 second mark Anyone outside Gilmore https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/tredavious-white-21768/
ColoradoBills Posted November 25, 2019 Posted November 25, 2019 15 hours ago, Kelly the Dog said: And yet he is only making 1-2 m now. If you rip up next year and give him 15 you are losing 12-13m which is the difference over five years from 15 to 16-17. The fifth year option will be less than 15. It's tricky business and I agree to lock him up early, but it's likely not saving much money and you actually may have him a year or two less under contract. They probably sign him to an "extension" next summer. He will get his 4th year rookie salary along with a signing bonus to be split over the life of the extension and next year. It's the smart way to lessen the yearly dead money. I give about a zero chance of a 5th year option deal. he is the "process" and the team knows it.
YoloinOhio Posted November 25, 2019 Author Posted November 25, 2019 16 hours ago, matter2003 said: Lol...mostly kidding, but Gilmore has looked amazing with them this year... humble too!
Big Turk Posted November 25, 2019 Posted November 25, 2019 (edited) 19 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: They probably sign him to an "extension" next summer. He will get his 4th year rookie salary along with a signing bonus to be split over the life of the extension and next year. It's the smart way to lessen the yearly dead money. I give about a zero chance of a 5th year option deal. he is the "process" and the team knows it. They will likely pick up his 5th year option and then work out a long term extension...dude has earned every penny and the some...great player, great teammate, gets the crowd going with his dance moves and fans love him to death... Can't say I love the Bills passing on Mahomes(my Mahomie...Ma Homes and Auto, lmao at the State Farm Commercials), but at least we got a top 5 player in the NFL at one of the most important positions outside QB... Edited November 25, 2019 by matter2003 1
FeelingOnYouboty Posted November 25, 2019 Posted November 25, 2019 17 hours ago, HappyDays said: I could see us doing something crazy like 5 years for $80 million. He's the 1st player drafted by this regime and he's a top 3 CB in the NFL. Lock him up through his 20s. Period. By far our best player. An All Pro talent and a consummate teammate and professional. PAY HIM!
ColoradoBills Posted November 25, 2019 Posted November 25, 2019 2 minutes ago, matter2003 said: They will likely pick up his 5th year option and then work out a long term extension...dude has earned every penny and the some...great player, great teammate, gets the crowd going with his dance moves and fans love him to death... Can't say I love the Bills passing on Mahomes(my Mahomie...Ma Homes and Auto, lmao at the State Farm Commercials), but at least we got a top 5 player in the NFL at one of the most important positions outside QB... I should have been more specific. Yes they will pick up the 5th year option but will do the deal before it goes into effect.
Kelly the Dog Posted November 25, 2019 Posted November 25, 2019 1 hour ago, DrDawkinstein said: You're being way too literal here. Doesnt matter whether or not there is any physical/human connection to the old regimes. EVEN WORSE then, if the new FO makes the same mistakes as the past. McD already said they didnt make any trades to avoid the same mistakes of the past. So HE knows there could be a connection based on decision making. I think he was referring to himself and Beane, as in Kelvin Benjamin, and maybe Jordan Matthews, not previous administrations. There is only a perceived connection from fans and media. It is not an actual thing. There is ZERO chance that Beane and McDermott have ever considered the fact that the Bills once didn't pay Antoine Winfield and Nate Clements. It's quite possible they have discussed what happened with Stephon Gilmore because it included a McDermott decision.
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