GunnerBill Posted November 24, 2019 Posted November 24, 2019 27 minutes ago, peterpan said: Looked great today. Important to note he was lining up against a rookie G whom is starting due to injury. Risner is a rookie but he has started all year.
WideNine Posted November 24, 2019 Posted November 24, 2019 1 minute ago, GunnerBill said: Risner is a rookie but he has started all year. Risner looks good - solid rookie and will only get better if he can continue to stay healthy. Liked him as a draft prospect. 1
TakeYouToTasker Posted November 24, 2019 Posted November 24, 2019 As I said in the game day thread, I give a one season pass to all rookies, regardless of their draft position. Oliver has tons of potential and ability. He probably needs to pack on 15 lbs of muscle over the off-season to compete in the trenches at the pro level on a consistent basis. 3
VW82 Posted November 24, 2019 Posted November 24, 2019 27 minutes ago, Happy Gilmore said: For those who have realistic expectations for a rookie DT, no, Ed Oliver is not a bust. He needs time to acclimate to how NFL Olines block and how radically different it is from college. For those harping on passing DK Metcalf for Ed Oliver, they'll never get it. I'd also add that Oliver is McD's side of the ball. I just find it hard to believe that he whiffed there and won't be able to find a way to make it work. Same thing with Edmunds who's had his share of shaky games too. Besides, you sign vet players to play with your young QB which is what we did.
Bob in STL Posted November 24, 2019 Posted November 24, 2019 (edited) He never was a bust. Who comes up with this crap? Edited November 24, 2019 by Bob in STL
Formerly Allan in MD Posted November 25, 2019 Posted November 25, 2019 If you don't start you're rookie season with multiple sacks out of the gate you must be a bust. How else can some judge you?
Saint Doug Posted November 25, 2019 Posted November 25, 2019 Can’t we merge this with the “still worried about the offense?” thread?
Buffalo716 Posted November 25, 2019 Posted November 25, 2019 16 minutes ago, TakeYouToTasker said: As I said in the game day thread, I give a one season pass to all rookies, regardless of their draft position. Oliver has tons of potential and ability. He probably needs to pack on 15 lbs of muscle over the off-season to compete in the trenches at the pro level on a consistent basis. Realistically he will never add 15 pounds as a guy who lives on his quickness He plays at 295 now and will never play at 310. Meatball was only 305 and Ed is built on speed and quickness 2
BillsFan692 Posted November 25, 2019 Posted November 25, 2019 Cant we just be happy he is doing good now and hopeful that it continues? Personally I think its cause Ive been wearing his jersey... Shaq Lawson tho... are we gonna pay the man?
TakeYouToTasker Posted November 25, 2019 Posted November 25, 2019 10 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: Realistically he will never add 15 pounds as a guy who lives on his quickness He plays at 295 now and will never play at 310. Meatball was only 305 and Ed is built on speed and quickness He has more than a large enough frame to carry the extra weight. As it currently stands he’s not strong enough to avoid getting bullied at the line of scrimmage, and is being taken out of the game too often. Speed and quickness isn’t going to get it done while this is the case. He needs to get stronger. He may need to sacrifice some speed to do it, but it will improve him as a player.
Buffalo716 Posted November 25, 2019 Posted November 25, 2019 2 minutes ago, TakeYouToTasker said: He has more than a large enough frame to carry the extra weight. As it currently stands he’s not strong enough to avoid getting bullied at the line of scrimmage, and is being taken out of the game too often. Speed and quickness isn’t going to get it done while this is the case. He needs to get stronger. He may need to sacrifice some speed to do it, but it will improve him as a player. He will never play at 310, bank on it
BuffaloBillsGospel Posted November 25, 2019 Posted November 25, 2019 1 hour ago, H2o said: After seeing his snaps cut for a week or two the young man has responded. People are so quick to throw around the "bust" label just because a guy doesn't perform like an All Pro out of the gate. Pretty ridiculous. He's got a sack in each of his last two games now(I think he could have been credited for another .5 sack today as well) and you see him disrupting more on the interior. If he keeps up the trend, a sack per game for the rest of the year, he will finish his rookie season with 8. Whether he does continue the trend or not, I do think you can see flashes that the young man is gonna be a good player before it's all said and done. Most fans don't know the game of football they think if we draft a player and he doesn't look like a hall of famer right out of the gate he should be traded or cut. He appears to be getting the hang of things, he was Stout bull rushing his way to that sack almost for a safety.
TakeYouToTasker Posted November 25, 2019 Posted November 25, 2019 1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said: He will never play at 310, bank on it Then he won’t play, I don’t think, at least not beyond a minor rotational role. As it is, his snap count had been cut. If Harrison Phillips is healthy he’s not getting many snaps. Given he had a solid day today, and I of course leave open the possibility that I’m wrong, but I really don’t think I am.
Buffalo716 Posted November 25, 2019 Posted November 25, 2019 2 minutes ago, TakeYouToTasker said: Then he won’t play, I don’t think, at least not beyond a minor rotational role. As it is, his snap count had been cut. If Harrison Phillips is healthy he’s not getting many snaps. Given he had a solid day today, and I of course leave open the possibility that I’m wrong, but I really don’t think I am. Harrison Philips is only 305 pounds You can get stronger without adding 15 pounds... Geno Atkins who is comparable in size to Oliver played 90% of his career under 300 pounds Just got to like 305 last 2 years
TakeYouToTasker Posted November 25, 2019 Posted November 25, 2019 1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said: Harrison Philips is only 305 pounds You can get stronger without adding 15 pounds... Geno Atkins who is comparable in size to Oliver played 90% of his career under 300 pounds Just got to like 305 last 2 years 10 LBs is a big deal though, and as you just pointed out, Atkins, who is one of the very best, recognized that he needed to get bigger and stronger. Again, I could be wrong. Fortunately we’ll have the opportunity to see next season. 1
Sundancer Posted November 25, 2019 Posted November 25, 2019 1 hour ago, peterpan said: Important to note he was lining up against a rookie G whom is starting due to injury. So was Von Miller.
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