BuffaloHokie13 Posted November 21, 2019 Posted November 21, 2019 On 11/19/2019 at 7:37 PM, GunnerBill said: I have watched the last 3 Broncos games. Their defense is predicated on stopping the run on first down and then allowing their pass rushers to tee off on 2nd and 3rd and long. The best down to pass against them on is 1st down. The Vikings spent the first half running Cook up the middle for 1, 0, 2, -1 etc. 2nd half even though Cousins missed on a couple where he went deep they passed on 1st down and moved the ball. Allen is 87/136 on 1st down for 1,013 yards, 7 TDs, and 4 INTs. 91.3 passer rating.
SmokinES3 Posted November 21, 2019 Posted November 21, 2019 (edited) On 11/19/2019 at 4:57 AM, Joe in Winslow said: You realize, of course, that Josh is on Pace to have similar passing TD numbers to Russell Wilson's first two seasons and that he's doing that with a LOT less surrounding talent? Phillip Rivers is also a similar comp. The first two years he was the starter. Minus all the Rushing YDS and TD's obviously. Edited November 21, 2019 by SmokinES3
Elite Poster Posted November 23, 2019 Posted November 23, 2019 On 11/20/2019 at 3:15 PM, Scott7975 said: Technically Allen would only need 2 passing TD's in each remaining game to hit 25 passing TDs. Its not entirely impossible. He has done at least that in 4 out of the last 6 games. He averages 1 passing TD per game his career so I doubt it.
Scott7975 Posted November 23, 2019 Posted November 23, 2019 3 hours ago, Elite Poster said: He averages 1 passing TD per game his career so I doubt it. We shall see. Personally I don't care how he gets touchdowns as long as the team starts getting more of them like last week.
Saxum Posted November 23, 2019 Posted November 23, 2019 On 11/19/2019 at 4:19 AM, Dr.Sack said: 7-3 where does that rank him? Doesn't rank anywhere for teams not QBs have wins. The question ranks so bad we should need clothespins to read it.
ganesh Posted November 24, 2019 Posted November 24, 2019 On 11/19/2019 at 11:57 PM, C.Biscuit97 said: That Miami Bump is magically for Allen. Dude has 13 of his career 38 tds against them. I want to see it against Dallas and NE. but his mid range passing definitely has improved. Just need to see it way more consistently. One of the things he is consistently doing is getting at least 2TDs a game (Rushing or Passing). Which means we are putting points on the board. 1
John from Riverside Posted November 24, 2019 Posted November 24, 2019 Those of us that really get behind Josh Allen really have not said he is one of the best QBs in the league (yet) All I want to see is improvement.....every single stat is improved from year 1 to future...... His ceiling is incredible 3
downunderbill Posted November 24, 2019 Posted November 24, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, John from Riverside said: Those of us that really get behind Josh Allen really have not said he is one of the best QBs in the league (yet) All I want to see is improvement.....every single stat is improved from year 1 to future...... His ceiling is incredible I agree, I don't recall anyone saying he is the best QB, I don't know why the stern detractors write like it is the consensus among the Allen fans. Makes me wonder, if Allen clicks and is the starter for the next 10-15 years, could those guys we've all come to know on here enjoy the game or not. Edited November 24, 2019 by downunderbill 1
BringBackOrton Posted November 24, 2019 Posted November 24, 2019 25 minutes ago, downunderbill said: I agree, I don't recall anyone saying he is the best QB, I don't know why the stern detractors write like it is the consensus among the Allen fans. Makes me wonder, if Allen clicks and is the starter for the next 10-15 years, could those guys we've all come to know on here enjoy the game or not. Of course they will. If Josh Allen is our starting QB in 10 years and has a track record of taking us deep into the playoffs, everyone will be happy with him. Good lord. This is the fan base that immortalized Kelly and he couldn’t even manage to win a Super Bowl.
MJS Posted November 24, 2019 Posted November 24, 2019 On 11/19/2019 at 2:55 AM, GreggTX said: 23rd is better than 32nd. True enough, but it's nowhere near good enough. So the real question is how good can he be and how long will it take to get there? Chris Simms said his inaccuracy can be fixed, but we haven't seen that yet. In the meantime, we would do well to keep handing the ball off to Singletary. That worked quite well last Sunday. I still have serious doubts about Josh, but I do like him and want him to succeed. Beane is the one I'm most worried about. We're 7-3. It has obviously been good enough.
transplantbillsfan Posted November 24, 2019 Author Posted November 24, 2019 14 hours ago, MJS said: We're 7-3. It has obviously been good enough. 8-3 now 1
transplantbillsfan Posted November 26, 2019 Author Posted November 26, 2019 Updated after week 12's completion
transplantbillsfan Posted December 3, 2019 Author Posted December 3, 2019 Ya know another interesting thing is where Allen ranks in the NFL as far as total TDs by a QB. Right now, Allen has the 5th most TDs of any QB in the NFL. Cousins has 2 fewer than him right now, so he'll drop to 6th if Cousins has a good game tonight. Another interesting thing is that as I just went and adjusted all of Allen's rankings this week and have done so the last couple weeks, he trends consistently up a little bit in every category it seems with every game. 1
transplantbillsfan Posted December 3, 2019 Author Posted December 3, 2019 Allen and Cousins are currently tied at 5 for total TDs among all QBs. 1
Thurman#1 Posted December 3, 2019 Posted December 3, 2019 (edited) On 11/20/2019 at 5:04 AM, Nextmanup said: The passing stats remain bad while his running game is, by far, the best part of his game. It's time for McDermott and Daboll to abandon their "We must make him a pocket passer" campaign and start whipping up a clever offense that utilizes his running talent, just as Baltimore has done with Lamar. Running is the only thing Allen does that is dangerous to opposing defenses. "Bad" is seriously overstating it, even back when you posted this on 11/20. For a second-year guy, his stats have been OK. Probably better than that, in that they're trending upwards. He's 21st in passer rating among guys with 100 or more throws, and that just is not bad at all for a second-year man. And it's higher than that for nearly any stretch of games after the (admittedly awful) NE game. If there were indications that he'd reached his ceiling, it would be bad news. But results show just the opposite, that he trended up year on year and he's continued to do so through the course of this year. And ask Dallas, Denver or Miami if running is the only dangerous thing he does. They'll disagree. Teams started the year packing the box and daring Allen to beat them. Lately, he's done a good enough job of being productive in those situations that he's making game-planning much tougher on opposing DCs. Edited December 3, 2019 by Thurman#1 1
Thurman#1 Posted December 3, 2019 Posted December 3, 2019 (edited) On 11/19/2019 at 6:57 PM, Joe in Winslow said: You realize, of course, that Josh is on Pace to have similar passing TD numbers to Russell Wilson's first two seasons and that he's doing that with a LOT less surrounding talent? As many have pointed out, this is very much not true. To put it in perspective ... Allen is tied for 16th in the league in throwing TDs. Which is far from bad. Wilson tied for 9th as a rookie and 9th again as a soph. Those are absolutely not similar numbers, in terms of rankings or gross numbers. And those TD numbers came on 383 attempts as a rookie and 407 attempts the next for Wilson, while Allen has already thrown 366 passes. Allen has thrown a TD on 3.1% of his passes last year and 4.4% this year, while Wilson racked up TDs on 6.6% of his throws as a rook and 6.4% the next year. Josh is improving, and the outlook is pretty solid right now. But he certainly hasn't produced similar passing TDs numbers with Wilson's first two seasons. Edited December 3, 2019 by Thurman#1 1
Thurman#1 Posted December 3, 2019 Posted December 3, 2019 (edited) On 11/24/2019 at 4:41 PM, MJS said: We're 7-3. It has obviously been good enough. 9-3. But again, that is simply not a Josh Allen stat. It is a Buffalo Bills stat. It has an awful lot to do with how terrifically our defense is playing. Edited December 3, 2019 by Thurman#1
Thurman#1 Posted December 3, 2019 Posted December 3, 2019 On 11/24/2019 at 1:41 PM, John from Riverside said: Those of us that really get behind Josh Allen really have not said he is one of the best QBs in the league (yet) All I want to see is improvement.....every single stat is improved from year 1 to future...... His ceiling is incredible One of you said he was going to be fighting for league MVP this year, didn't he? Granted it seemed absolutely unhinged from minute one, but some of you that really get behind him really have said some quite nutty things. For those that haven't, fair enough. 1
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted December 3, 2019 Posted December 3, 2019 1 hour ago, Thurman#1 said: As many have pointed out, this is very much not true. To put it in perspective ... Allen is tied for 16th in the league in throwing TDs. Which is far from bad. Wilson tied for 9th as a rookie and 9th again as a soph. Those are absolutely not similar numbers, in terms of rankings or gross numbers. And those TD numbers came on 383 attempts as a rookie and 407 attempts the next for Wilson, while Allen has already thrown 366 passes. Allen has thrown a TD on 3.1% of his passes last year and 4.4% this year, while Wilson racked up TDs on 6.6% of his throws as a rook and 6.4% the next year. Josh is improving, and the outlook is pretty solid right now. But he certainly hasn't produced similar passing TDs numbers with Wilson's first two seasons. If you'd continue on in the thread you'd see that was a chart reading fail on my part.
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