HappyDays Posted November 18, 2019 Posted November 18, 2019 This is an interesting theory. Basically the same thing McVay was doing for Goff. 1
ProcessTruster Posted November 19, 2019 Posted November 19, 2019 Yeah if you go no huddle with the headset, the defense doesn't have the ability to change the defense just before the snap. That must be it. Belichick would call two defenses for the same play. Not sure that is possible if the offense is in hurry up mode? 1
Mrbojanglezs Posted November 19, 2019 Posted November 19, 2019 He is able to up until 15 seconds so I don't know why he wouldn't tell him the coverage, one less thing he has to concentrate on presnap 5
stony Posted November 19, 2019 Posted November 19, 2019 Whatever it was, it worked. I prefer Daboll up high on game days. 10
Buffalo716 Posted November 19, 2019 Posted November 19, 2019 Realistically I hope that isn't the case Mcvay has stunted Goffs growth as a true QB because he has always made the calls for him It's easy to defend against too... Just disguise your coverage until under 15 seconds on the clock You need to be able to see things pre and post snap and be able to recognize them 10 5 1
Meatloaf63 Posted November 19, 2019 Posted November 19, 2019 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: Realistically I hope that isn't the case Mcvay has stunted Goffs growth as a true QB because he has always made the calls for him It's easy to defend against too... Just disguise your coverage until under 15 seconds on the clock You need to be able to see things pre and post snap and be able to recognize them Unless you go no huddle and snap with 15 seconds left which happened at times yesterday... Edited November 19, 2019 by Meatloaf63 1
Buffalo716 Posted November 19, 2019 Posted November 19, 2019 1 minute ago, Meatloaf63 said: Unless you go no huddle and snap with 15 seconds left which happened at times yesterday... That can't be the case for an entire season tho .. we aren't the 91 no huddle Bills And my point was it actually hinders QB development long-term 2 1
Meatloaf63 Posted November 19, 2019 Posted November 19, 2019 1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said: That can't be the case for an entire season tho .. we aren't the 91 no huddle Bills And my point was it actually hinders QB development long-term You are probably right, But there is no proof if Daboll was doing that. Now if he helps him some and weens him off as his understanding grows I have no problem with this type of tutoring... 3
TroutDog Posted November 19, 2019 Posted November 19, 2019 (edited) Here’s an option: let Josh develop in the trajectory you expected him to. I’d prefer no Bellicheat theatrics in this organization. Can it help with a single win against an inferior opponent? Sure! But that’s not the point with Josh. Everyone has to be thinking about the long game (a golf reference for the uninitiated)...next year and beyond. Edited November 19, 2019 by TroutDog
CommonCents Posted November 19, 2019 Posted November 19, 2019 Hmm, Archuleta was slamming the Bills and Allen for repeatedly snapping the ball with so much time left on the play clock when up by 10. It makes more sense now. 1
Buffalo716 Posted November 19, 2019 Posted November 19, 2019 Just now, Meatloaf63 said: You are probably right, But there is no proof if Daboll was doing that. Now if he helps him some and weens him off as his understanding grows I have no problem with this type of tutoring... I have no clue if it happened yesterday and I'm sure there is SOME type of communication And you're right that we did snap the ball early sometimes in no huddle
Meatloaf63 Posted November 19, 2019 Posted November 19, 2019 Just now, Buffalo716 said: I have no clue if it happened yesterday and I'm sure there is SOME type of communication And you're right that we did snap the ball early sometimes in no huddle At first I was upset we were not burning the clock, but then it became apparent when in rhythm, he’s almost unstoppable at times. 4 2
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted November 19, 2019 Posted November 19, 2019 17 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: Realistically I hope that isn't the case Mcvay has stunted Goffs growth as a true QB because he has always made the calls for him It's easy to defend against too... Just disguise your coverage until under 15 seconds on the clock You need to be able to see things pre and post snap and be able to recognize them Except I’m pretty sure McDaniels/Patsies have been doing this for years too. Part of spygate was an allegation they were feeding defensive signals to Brady real-time over an unassigned radio frequency up to the snap. Im sure they were doing all of the other stuff too. 2 1
GunnerBill Posted November 19, 2019 Posted November 19, 2019 I think McVay in the headset is the single most overblown narrative in the league. I very much doubt that was going on here too.
Buffalo716 Posted November 19, 2019 Posted November 19, 2019 Just now, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Except I’m pretty sure McDaniels/Patsies have been doing this for years too. Part of spygate was an allegation they were feeding defensive signals to Brady real-time over an unassigned radio frequency up to the snap. Im sure they were doing all of the other stuff too. Having the actual play signal vs having a coach trying to read the defense is a bit different A QB realistically should learn how to breakdown a defense pre snap without needing his coach to help him eventually 1
Captain Caveman Posted November 19, 2019 Posted November 19, 2019 12 minutes ago, TroutDog said: Here’s an option: let Josh develop in the trajectory you expected him to. I’d prefer no Bellicheat theatrics in this organization. Can it help with a single win against an inferior opponent? Sure! But that’s not the point with Josh. Or you know, get the Rams to the Super Bowl last year. 1
Big Turk Posted November 19, 2019 Posted November 19, 2019 32 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: Realistically I hope that isn't the case Mcvay has stunted Goffs growth as a true QB because he has always made the calls for him It's easy to defend against too... Just disguise your coverage until under 15 seconds on the clock You need to be able to see things pre and post snap and be able to recognize them Its why Goff looks lost out there now...can't read coverages, can't diagnose pre snap reads, etc etc... Once the DCs took away the gimmick plays and forced Goff to play QB he couldn't do it...he looks terrible out there.
TNBills Posted November 19, 2019 Posted November 19, 2019 You can read the defensive alignments from the sidelines as well. So him talking in the headset from down below or from up top really doesn't give that much of an advantage. 1
BillnutinHouston Posted November 19, 2019 Posted November 19, 2019 (edited) Why. Wouldn't. Daboll. It could be seen as a crutch, but on the other hand, what better training aid is there? If you noticed Allen's interview today with Murphy and Tasker, they asked him about how long Daboll was talking to him at the LOS and his answer was cagy to say the least. Edited November 19, 2019 by BillnutinHouston 1
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