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Yeah if you go no huddle with the headset, the defense doesn't have the ability to change the defense just before the snap.  That must be it.   Belichick would call two defenses for the same play.  Not sure that is possible if the offense is in hurry up mode?

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Realistically I hope that isn't the case

 

Mcvay has stunted Goffs growth as a true QB because he has always made the calls for him

 

It's easy to defend against too... Just disguise your coverage until under 15 seconds on the clock

 

You need to be able to see things pre and post snap and be able to recognize them

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11 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Realistically I hope that isn't the case

 

Mcvay has stunted Goffs growth as a true QB because he has always made the calls for him

 

It's easy to defend against too... Just disguise your coverage until under 15 seconds on the clock

 

You need to be able to see things pre and post snap and be able to recognize them

Unless you go no huddle and snap with 15 seconds left which happened at times yesterday...

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1 minute ago, Meatloaf63 said:

Unless you go no huddle and snap with 15 seconds left which happened at times yesterday...

That can't be the case for an entire season tho .. we aren't the 91 no huddle Bills

 

And my point was it actually hinders QB development long-term

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1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said:

That can't be the case for an entire season tho .. we aren't the 91 no huddle Bills

 

And my point was it actually hinders QB development long-term

You are probably right, But there is no proof if Daboll was doing that. Now if he helps him some and weens him off as his understanding grows I have no problem with this type of tutoring...

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Here’s an option: let Josh develop in the trajectory you expected him to. I’d prefer no Bellicheat theatrics in this organization. Can it help with a single win against an inferior opponent? Sure! But that’s not the point with Josh. 
 

Everyone has to be thinking about the long game (a golf reference for the uninitiated)...next year and beyond. 

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Just now, Meatloaf63 said:

You are probably right, But there is no proof if Daboll was doing that. Now if he helps him some and weens him off as his understanding grows I have no problem with this type of tutoring...

I have no clue if it happened yesterday and I'm sure there is SOME type of communication

 

And you're right that we did snap the ball early sometimes in no huddle

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Just now, Buffalo716 said:

I have no clue if it happened yesterday and I'm sure there is SOME type of communication

 

And you're right that we did snap the ball early sometimes in no huddle

At first I was upset we were not burning the clock, but then it became apparent when in rhythm, he’s almost unstoppable at times. 

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17 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Realistically I hope that isn't the case

 

Mcvay has stunted Goffs growth as a true QB because he has always made the calls for him

 

It's easy to defend against too... Just disguise your coverage until under 15 seconds on the clock

 

You need to be able to see things pre and post snap and be able to recognize them

 

Except I’m pretty sure McDaniels/Patsies have been doing this for years too. 

 

Part of spygate was an allegation they were feeding defensive signals to Brady real-time over an unassigned radio frequency up to the snap. 

 

Im sure they were doing all of the other stuff too. 

 

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Just now, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

 

Except I’m pretty sure McDaniels/Patsies have been doing this for years too. 

 

Part of spygate was an allegation they were feeding defensive signals to Brady real-time over an unassigned radio frequency up to the snap. 

 

Im sure they were doing all of the other stuff too. 

 

Having the actual play signal  vs having a coach trying to read the defense is a bit different

 

A QB realistically should learn how to breakdown a defense pre snap without needing his coach to help him eventually

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12 minutes ago, TroutDog said:

Here’s an option: let Josh develop in the trajectory you expected him to. I’d prefer no Bellicheat theatrics in this organization. Can it help with a single win against an inferior opponent? Sure! But that’s not the point with Josh. 

Or you know, get the Rams to the Super Bowl last year.

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32 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Realistically I hope that isn't the case

 

Mcvay has stunted Goffs growth as a true QB because he has always made the calls for him

 

It's easy to defend against too... Just disguise your coverage until under 15 seconds on the clock

 

You need to be able to see things pre and post snap and be able to recognize them

 

Its why Goff looks lost out there now...can't read coverages, can't diagnose pre snap reads, etc etc...

 

Once the DCs took away the gimmick plays and forced Goff to play QB he couldn't do it...he looks terrible out there.

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You can read the defensive alignments from the sidelines as well. So him talking in the headset from down below or from up top really doesn't give that much of an advantage. 

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Why.  Wouldn't.  Daboll.

 

It could be seen as a crutch, but on the other hand, what better training aid is there?

 

If you noticed Allen's interview today with Murphy and Tasker, they asked him about how long Daboll was talking to him at the LOS and his answer was cagy to say the least.

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