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If only we had a #1...   I kid, I kid, of course it would be nice to have another stud to complement Brown but after 10 weeks you can no longer say it's a fluke.  The dude can ball and isn't

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18 minutes ago, Troll Toll said:

To me, this thread is more of a credit to Josh Allen than John Brown. Get some top tier receivers like Mike Evans in Buffalo and watch Josh ball!


i know when allen was throwing all those interceptions early in the year that was on the receivers too right? Lol. Good screenname btw. Suits you. Can you not give Brown credit where credit’s deserved? He was off to a career year in BAL last year until Lamar was thrown in there before they taught him how to pass. Cmon my man

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7 hours ago, TigerJ said:

Since the New England game, the prescription for beating the Bills' offense has been to play Cover three with man coverage on the outside.  That has meant John Brown just needed to be able to beat man coverage, which he can do against a lot of DBs.  If his success forces defenses to double up on Brown, or shift to more of a zone look, that will open up things somewhere else.  Hopefully, Josh will have the ability to make the reads and adjust.  That will mean opportunities for others.

Maybe it's been pointed out already, but "Cover-3 with man coverage on the outside" doesn't fully make sense. 

 

Cover-3 resembles man coverage on the boundaries in many ways, but it's different. If you combine the Cover-3 and "man coverage on the outside" what you're really proposing is a Cover-ONE man scheme, which I agree IS a smart defense against the Bills.

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3 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said:


i know when allen was throwing all those interceptions early in the year that was on the receivers too right? Lol. Good screenname btw. Suits you. Can you not give Brown credit where credit’s deserved? He was off to a career year in BAL last year until Lamar was thrown in there before they taught him how to pass. Cmon my man

The receivers have regularly dropped passes that hit them in the hands and have been outmuscled by bigger defensive backs. A lot of the passes Josh completes to Brown are due to Josh’s anticipation. Brown has not had numbers this good with any other QB. I’m shocked that there is anyone that can bash Allen for maximizing John Brown’s production, but to each their own.

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6 minutes ago, Troll Toll said:

The receivers have regularly dropped passes that hit them in the hands and have been outmuscled by bigger defensive backs. A lot of the passes Josh completes to Brown are due to Josh’s anticipation. Brown has not had numbers this good with any other QB. I’m shocked that there is anyone that can bash Allen for maximizing John Brown’s production, but to each their own.

Sorry if I wasn’t clear - Allen gets most of the credit and it’s well deserved. I also think Brown is a bit underrated and none of the drops earlier in the year are really on him (we can blame Zay, Beasley, and Knox for most of those.) I just wince at trying to boost the opinion that Allen is 100% responsible for Brown’s emergence. Again, look at the numbers from BAL last year before flacco got benched. 
 

but Allen was ballin’ on Sunday no question about it.

 

EDIT: and full disclosure, i’ve been a huge John Brown fan since his days in Arizona.

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From Fairburn in The Athletic:

 

Stats that matter

78.6

That’s the percentage of John Brown’s reception that have resulted in a first down. Of players who have at least two catches per game, that ranks ninth in the NFL. Brown may not be the prototypical No. 1 receiver, but he’s producing like one this season. If he keeps performing at this pace, he has a chance to best Eric Moulds’ single-season franchise record of 1,368 receiving yards. With 817 yards through 10 games, Brown should at least become Buffalo’s first 1,200-yard receiver since Lee Evans in 2006. Sunday was Brown’s best game yet, as he put up 137 yards and two touchdowns.

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8 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

Potential worry is that he will start to be double teamed and we have no real viable threat on the outside unless they can get Foster going. They’ve been using Mckenzie a lot but he’s not a real WR2 more of a WR 4

 

I would think teams are doubling him already, we don’t really have another weapon. Either that or they don’t have to bodies to double cover him because they are worried about Allen running. Either way he should be able to keep it up. 

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5 hours ago, Richard Noggin said:

Maybe it's been pointed out already, but "Cover-3 with man coverage on the outside" doesn't fully make sense. 

 

Cover-3 resembles man coverage on the boundaries in many ways, but it's different. If you combine the Cover-3 and "man coverage on the outside" what you're really proposing is a Cover-ONE man scheme, which I agree IS a smart defense against the Bills.

I haven't really studied it carefully, but do the Bills really get that much man coverage underneath with a QB who can run like Allen? What do they do, leave a spy on him?

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13 hours ago, plenzmd1 said:

well, how do you get Foster going with ZERO offensive snaps?

 

Foster is the most perplexing player usage ever in my memory...too bad we don't get to see practice...

 

I would add, Foster and Williams. At least Williams was productive when he was out there. And certainly Foster was last year when given significant playing time. It is a riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma ??????

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10 hours ago, TPS said:

yeah, me-thinks mckenzie doesn't strike fear in the hearts of our opponents...

 

All I know, is when he touches the football the excitement level goes up. His quickness is unmatched, when they get the ball to him in space, really good things happen. Daboll has used him well this season, but I do not recall any Jet Sweeps on Sunday, did I miss that?

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13 hours ago, Tesla03 said:

 

Mckenzie shouldn't even be a WR4. I really don't get why Duke Williams isn't on the gameday roster. 

 

I wonder what the price would be to get a guy like Mike Evans 

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1 hour ago, CSBill said:

 

All I know, is when he touches the football the excitement level goes up. His quickness is unmatched, when they get the ball to him in space, really good things happen. Daboll has used him well this season, but I do not recall any Jet Sweeps on Sunday, did I miss that?

No sweeps. As many have noted, they need someone who is a legitimate WR on the other side. McKenzie can still do his role part-time...

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espn has a "best at everything" article today judging the NFL's best at 60 different categories....

 

Best wide receiver by route: hitch

John Brown, Buffalo Bills

Brown most notably recorded two hitch-route first downs against Cleveland in Week 10, as he has been unstoppable on the route this season. He has more yards and first downs than any other receiver on hitches, hauling in 16 catches for 193 yards and 12 first downs.

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