IgotBILLStopay Posted November 18, 2019 Posted November 18, 2019 (edited) We have heard a bunch of names for Bills' WR1 even after Brown was signed. Here are the receiving stats through Week 11. Are any of the other guys a clear upgrade over JFB aka "Smoke"? Edit: He is not the 4th in receiving yards. He is 8th. The other 4 in the top 8 were not really talked about on the Bills Boards as possible Bills : Michael Thomas, Mike Evans, Chris Godwin, Amari Cooper Edit2: he is #1 in receiving yards in the AFC (thanks youngjebrey for pointing that out) Receiving Stats Through Week 11 GP REC TGTS YDS AVG TD LNG BIG YDS/G FUM LST YAC FD Julio JonesATL 10 59 91 882 14.9 4 54 13 88.2 1 0 230 46 Stefon DiggsMIN 11 46 65 880 19.1 5 66 16 80 4 3 273 30 Cooper KuppLAR 10 61 94 845 13.9 5 66 16 84.5 2 0 431 33 John BrownBUF 10 56 85 817 14.6 4 40 13 81.7 0 0 163 44 DeAndre HopkinsHOU 10 75 104 745 9.9 4 38 9 74.5 0 0 259 47 Odell Beckham Jr.CLE 10 48 89 692 14.4 1 89 10 69.2 0 0 255 28 Allen Robinson IICHI 10 57 86 633 11.1 3 33 8 63.3 0 0 146 34 Calvin RidleyATL 10 44 64 614 14 5 36 11 61.4 0 0 108 33 DeVante ParkerMIA 10 40 72 604 15.1 4 50 7 60.4 0 0 158 31 DK MetcalfSEA 10 35 64 595 17 5 54 10 59.5 2 2 185 23 Emmanuel SandersDEN/SF 11 46 67 561 12.2 4 53 8 51 0 0 176 29 JuJu Smith-SchusterPIT 10 38 60 524 13.8 3 76 7 52.4 1 1 219 20 Sammy WatkinsKC 8 40 65 512 12.8 3 68 7 64 2 1 248 21 Edited November 18, 2019 by IgotBILLStopay 1 1
MAJBobby Posted November 18, 2019 Posted November 18, 2019 Just now, IgotBILLStopay said: We have heard a bunch of names for Bills' WR1 even after Brown was signed. Here are the receiving stats through Week 11. Are any of the other guys a clear upgrade over JFB aka "Smoke"? Receiving Stats Through Week 11 GP REC TGTS YDS AVG TD LNG BIG YDS/G FUM LST YAC FD Julio JonesATL 10 59 91 882 14.9 4 54 13 88.2 1 0 230 46 Stefon DiggsMIN 11 46 65 880 19.1 5 66 16 80 4 3 273 30 Cooper KuppLAR 10 61 94 845 13.9 5 66 16 84.5 2 0 431 33 John BrownBUF 10 56 85 817 14.6 4 40 13 81.7 0 0 163 44 DeAndre HopkinsHOU 10 75 104 745 9.9 4 38 9 74.5 0 0 259 47 Odell Beckham Jr.CLE 10 48 89 692 14.4 1 89 10 69.2 0 0 255 28 Allen Robinson IICHI 10 57 86 633 11.1 3 33 8 63.3 0 0 146 34 Calvin RidleyATL 10 44 64 614 14 5 36 11 61.4 0 0 108 33 DeVante ParkerMIA 10 40 72 604 15.1 4 50 7 60.4 0 0 158 31 DK MetcalfSEA 10 35 64 595 17 5 54 10 59.5 2 2 185 23 Emmanuel SandersDEN/SF 11 46 67 561 12.2 4 53 8 51 0 0 176 29 JuJu Smith-SchusterPIT 10 38 60 524 13.8 3 76 7 52.4 1 1 219 20 Sammy WatkinsKC 8 40 65 512 12.8 3 68 7 64 2 1 248 21 Yes - Hopkins and Diggs 1
IgotBILLStopay Posted November 18, 2019 Author Posted November 18, 2019 (edited) To the doubters, here is a stat I have not seen talked about yet - how important a WR is to a team's total passing offense. Smoke is at 37+%. None of the others are even close. Only Michael Thomas is ahead at 44%. This guy is surefire Pro Bowl worthy and has an outside shot at All-Pro. Receiving Stats Through Week 11 YDS Team Passing Yards Contribution to Team Passing Yards Julio JonesATL 882 3003 29.37% Stefon DiggsMIN 880 2598 33.87% Cooper KuppLAR 845 2689 31.42% John BrownBUF 817 2169 37.67% DeAndre HopkinsHOU 745 2395 31.11% Odell Beckham Jr.CLE 692 2210 31.31% Allen Robinson IICHI 633 1828 34.63% Calvin RidleyATL 614 3003 20.45% DeVante ParkerMIA 604 2027 29.80% DK MetcalfSEA 595 2559 23.25% Emmanuel SandersDEN/SF 561 2066 27.15% JuJu Smith-SchusterPIT 524 2028 25.84% Sammy WatkinsKC 512 3139 16.31% edit: Adding stats for top 4 guys Michael ThomasNO 1,141 2565 44.48% Mike EvansTB 993 2856 34.77% Chris GodwinTB 887 2856 31.06% Amari CooperDAL 886 3127 28.33% Edited November 18, 2019 by IgotBILLStopay 1 1
wppete Posted November 18, 2019 Posted November 18, 2019 WOW I didnt realize he has the 4th most yards receiving! Lets get him to #1!
Virgil Posted November 18, 2019 Posted November 18, 2019 How did you make this list? Michael Thomas is missing 2
DrDawkinstein Posted November 18, 2019 Posted November 18, 2019 Yes, most are an upgrade based on size alone. That ball that Brown dropped on the crossing route which was "high" for him is comfortably catchable for a non-smurf WR. Additionally, a bigger WR can out-physical the DB for the jump ball on the deep ball which he couldnt get back to. I love Brown and am all for keeping him as WR2, but we need a big, more athletic threat at WR1. 6
LOVEMESOMEBILLS Posted November 18, 2019 Posted November 18, 2019 3 minutes ago, wppete said: WOW I didnt realize he has the 4th most yards receiving! Lets get him to #1! He doesn't, he's currently 8th in the league in receiving yards. Still better than I thought he would do. https://www.espn.com/nfl/stats/player/_/stat/receiving/table/receiving/sort/receivingYards/dir/desc 1
Heitz Posted November 18, 2019 Posted November 18, 2019 4 minutes ago, Virgil said: How did you make this list? Michael Thomas is missing Missing a few players on there: http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabSeq=0&statisticCategory=RECEIVING&conference=null&season=2019&seasonType=REG&d-447263-s=RECEIVING_YARDS&d-447263-o=2&d-447263-n=1 Still, impressive to Brown (or ANY Bills WR) that high on the list! 1
MAJBobby Posted November 18, 2019 Posted November 18, 2019 7 minutes ago, IgotBILLStopay said: To the doubters, here is a stat I have not seen talked about yet - how important a WR is to a team's total passing offense. Smoke is at 37+%. None of the others are even close. Receiving Stats Through Week 11 YDS Team Passing Yards Contribution to Team Passing Yards Julio JonesATL 882 3003 29.37% Stefon DiggsMIN 880 2598 33.87% Cooper KuppLAR 845 2689 31.42% John BrownBUF 817 2169 37.67% DeAndre HopkinsHOU 745 2395 31.11% Odell Beckham Jr.CLE 692 2210 31.31% Allen Robinson IICHI 633 1828 34.63% Calvin RidleyATL 614 3003 20.45% DeVante ParkerMIA 604 2027 29.80% DK MetcalfSEA 595 2559 23.25% Emmanuel SandersDEN/SF 561 2066 27.15% JuJu Smith-SchusterPIT 524 2028 25.84% Sammy WatkinsKC 512 3139 16.31% that could also mean though the Offense is lacking real other options though right? Without Context In terms where the other WRs are on the team. look at ATL they have two WRs on this list in both Jones and Ridley. 7 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: Yes, most are an upgrade based on size alone. That ball that Brown dropped on the crossing route which was "high" for him is comfortably catchable for a non-smurf WR. Additionally, a bigger WR can out-physical the DB for the jump ball on the deep ball which he couldnt get back to. I love Brown and am all for keeping him as WR2, but we need a big, more athletic threat at WR1. this. If we have a better WR at No1 imagine what both would look like and the pressure we could put on teams. Get me a combo similar to Jones/Ridley on outside knox at TE similar to a Hooper and Beasley in the slot and NOW we are talking. 3
Livinginthepast Posted November 18, 2019 Posted November 18, 2019 Brown was a great signing. He has been an absolute stud this year. My only fear is that teams will soon learn to focus on him as Josh's main outlet and neutralize him or that he gets injured. He really isn't that big a guy and he plays almost every offensive snap. Hopefully he can stay healthy with the amount of pounding he takes on a regular basis. 2
SoTier Posted November 18, 2019 Posted November 18, 2019 6 minutes ago, Virgil said: How did you make this list? Michael Thomas is missing Among others ... Mike Evans, Chris Godwin, Amari Cooper, Courtland Sutton, Tyler Lockett, DJ Chark, TY Hilton etc.
Big Turk Posted November 18, 2019 Posted November 18, 2019 8 minutes ago, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said: He doesn't, he's currently 8th in the league in receiving yards. Still better than I thought he would do. https://www.espn.com/nfl/stats/player/_/stat/receiving/table/receiving/sort/receivingYards/dir/desc He is on pace for 90 catches and 1309 yards... Imagine what those could be if Allen could even be average at hitting deep shots.
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted November 18, 2019 Posted November 18, 2019 2 minutes ago, Livinginthepast said: Brown was a great signing. He has been an absolute stud this year. My only fear is that teams will soon learn to focus on him as Josh's main outlet and neutralize him or that he gets injured. He really isn't that big a guy and he plays almost every offensive snap. Hopefully he can stay healthy with the amount of pounding he takes on a regular basis. They doubled him on that Josh Allen TD run. corner played under and safety was helping over/middle. No one was on that side of the field when allen took off.
LOVEMESOMEBILLS Posted November 18, 2019 Posted November 18, 2019 2 minutes ago, matter2003 said: He is on pace for 90 catches and 1309 yards... Imagine what those could be if Allen could even be average at hitting deep shots. Let's see how Allen does now that our conservative coach told him to be fearless. I believe a lot of the deep ball problems stem from our coaching staff telling him to be safe with the long ball. 1
DrDawkinstein Posted November 18, 2019 Posted November 18, 2019 6 minutes ago, matter2003 said: He is on pace for 90 catches and 1309 yards... Imagine what those could be if Allen could even be average at hitting deep shots. Or if Brown was big/strong enough to go up for the ball.
Mrbojanglezs Posted November 18, 2019 Posted November 18, 2019 I am surprised teams are not focusing on him more to take him out of the game.
Big Turk Posted November 18, 2019 Posted November 18, 2019 2 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: Or if Brown was big/strong enough to go up for the ball. Ummm...hard to go up for a ball when its being sent 10 yards over your head.
Hapless Bills Fan Posted November 18, 2019 Posted November 18, 2019 37 minutes ago, IgotBILLStopay said: We have heard a bunch of names for Bills' WR1 even after Brown was signed. Here are the receiving stats through Week 11. Are any of the other guys a clear upgrade over JFB aka "Smoke"? Receiving Stats Through Week 11 GP REC TGTS YDS AVG TD LNG BIG YDS/G FUM LST YAC FD Julio JonesATL 10 59 91 882 14.9 4 54 13 88.2 1 0 230 46 Stefon DiggsMIN 11 46 65 880 19.1 5 66 16 80 4 3 273 30 Cooper KuppLAR 10 61 94 845 13.9 5 66 16 84.5 2 0 431 33 John BrownBUF 10 56 85 817 14.6 4 40 13 81.7 0 0 163 44 DeAndre HopkinsHOU 10 75 104 745 9.9 4 38 9 74.5 0 0 259 47 Odell Beckham Jr.CLE 10 48 89 692 14.4 1 89 10 69.2 0 0 255 28 Allen Robinson IICHI 10 57 86 633 11.1 3 33 8 63.3 0 0 146 34 Calvin RidleyATL 10 44 64 614 14 5 36 11 61.4 0 0 108 33 DeVante ParkerMIA 10 40 72 604 15.1 4 50 7 60.4 0 0 158 31 DK MetcalfSEA 10 35 64 595 17 5 54 10 59.5 2 2 185 23 Emmanuel SandersDEN/SF 11 46 67 561 12.2 4 53 8 51 0 0 176 29 JuJu Smith-SchusterPIT 10 38 60 524 13.8 3 76 7 52.4 1 1 219 20 Sammy WatkinsKC 8 40 65 512 12.8 3 68 7 64 2 1 248 21
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted November 18, 2019 Posted November 18, 2019 2 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: Or if Brown was big/strong enough to go up for the ball. Yeah - he's alright as a backshoulder option 1x1 because you have to respect his speed. But it's nicer when you have size there. A lot of it's just chemistry though.
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