3rdnlng Posted January 21, 2020 Posted January 21, 2020 13 minutes ago, keepthefaith said: I think that would enhance the message, cheap pens showing fiscal restraint. Ah, the Because I Care pens, eh? 1
Taro T Posted January 21, 2020 Posted January 21, 2020 26 minutes ago, B-Man said: Sounds impartial ? Well, should the American people truly want to be rid of President Trump, there's this little thing called an election coming upon about 10 months... 2
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted January 21, 2020 Posted January 21, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, Taro T said: Well, should the American people truly want to be rid of President Trump, there's this little thing called an election coming upon about 10 months... ...OR.....is the message, "you the general electorate are not smart enough to decide, so we are here to assist and eliminate the obvious negative choice"??.........seriously?...you mean Nancy and Shifty aren't like the "good hands of Allstate"?.... Edited January 21, 2020 by OldTimeAFLGuy
B-Man Posted January 22, 2020 Posted January 22, 2020 No worries about the media, Conan is guarding the "pen" ? 4
B-Man Posted January 22, 2020 Posted January 22, 2020 ERIC CIAMARELLA IS NOT A “WHISTLEBLOWER,” HE’S AN OPERATIVE: RealClearInvestigations: Whistleblower Was Overheard in ’17 Discussing With Ally How to Remove Trump. . 3
B-Man Posted January 22, 2020 Posted January 22, 2020 No, History Isn’t Watching, and It Won’t Even Care That Much A lot of the press reaction to Mitt Romney, Lisa Murkowski, Susan Collins, and other not-Trump-friendly Republicans siding with the majority is negative. A lot of the anti-Trump right and pretty much the entire left are outraged. Prior to yesterday’s vote, you had people saying things like “History is watching you, Mitt Romney/John Roberts/Susan Collins/etc.” There seems to be this idea that the history books are going to remember every detail of this impeachment process from start to finish, and it will be in leather-bound volumes with gilded lettering in the Library of Congress, constantly addressed by society for hundreds of years to come. Yes, Donald Trump was impeached. The trial will be over quick enough, and we’ll go back to being angry at each other over something else. This will be another thing we’ll remember happened, but the details will get fuzzier with each year. Trump isn’t some grand step into America becoming an authoritarian hellscape, nor is any Democrat likely to get away with it themselves. This is a political process being played out in the worst of ways and for the worst of reasons. The Democrats have produced nothing that wins their case and, more importantly, they have produced nothing to win over hearts and minds. Americans are still, at best, a toss-up on whether or not Trump should be removed from office, and if the Democrats can’t win over freaking Mitt Romney and Susan Collins, they frankly don’t deserve to win. But, this isn’t some grand moment in history that will go down in history. We’ll remember Trump as the President who got impeached. The details surrounding it will become vaguer and vaguer over time, and the Democrats will have accomplished nothing. 2
3rdnlng Posted January 22, 2020 Posted January 22, 2020 1 hour ago, B-Man said: ERIC CIAMARELLA IS NOT A “WHISTLEBLOWER,” HE’S AN OPERATIVE: RealClearInvestigations: Whistleblower Was Overheard in ’17 Discussing With Ally How to Remove Trump. . From your link: Barely two weeks after Donald Trump took office, Eric Ciaramella – the CIA analyst whose name was recently linked in a tweet by the president and mentioned by lawmakers as the anonymous “whistleblower" who touched off Trump's impeachment – was overheard in the White House discussing with another staffer how to remove the newly elected president from office, according to former colleagues. Sean Misko: He spoke with Ciaramella about the need to "take out," or remove, President Trump. Later he went to work for Rep. Adam Schiff's committee. Center for a New American Security Sources told RealClearInvestigations the staffer with whom Ciaramella was speaking was Sean Misko. Both were Obama administration holdovers working in the Trump White House on foreign policy and national security issues. And both expressed anger over Trump’s new “America First” foreign policy, a sea change from President Obama’s approach to international affairs. “Just days after he was sworn in they were already talking about trying to get rid of him,” said a White House colleague who overheard their conversation. “They weren’t just bent on subverting his agenda,” the former official added. “They were plotting to actually have him removed from office.” Misko left the White House last summer to join House impeachment manager Adam Schiff’s committee, where sources say he offered “guidance” to the whistleblower, who has been officially identified only as an intelligence officer in a complaint against Trump filed under whistleblower laws. Misko then helped run the impeachment inquiry based on that complaint as a top investigator for congressional Democrats. The probe culminated in Trump’s impeachment last month on a party-line vote in the House of Representatives. Schiff and other House Democrats last week delivered the articles of impeachment to the Senate, and are now pressing the case for his removal during the trial, which began Tuesday. The coordination between the official believed to be the whistleblower and a key Democratic staffer, details of which are disclosed here for the first time, undercuts the narrative that impeachment developed spontaneously out of the “patriotism" of an “apolitical civil servant." Two former co-workers said they overheard Ciaramella and Misko, close friends and Democrats held over from the Obama administration, discussing how to “take out,” or remove, the new president from office within days of Trump’s inauguration. These co-workers said the president’s controversial Ukraine phone call in July 2019 provided the pretext they and their Democratic allies had been looking for. “They didn’t like his policies,” another former White House official said. "They had a political vendetta against him from Day One.” Impeachment manager Adam Schiff speaks during the impeachment trial of President Trump in the Senate on Tuesday. (Senate Television via AP) Their efforts were part of a larger pattern of coordination to build a case for impeachment, involving Democratic leaders as well as anti-Trump figures both inside and outside of government. All unnamed sources for this article spoke only on condition that they not be further identified or described. Although strong evidence points to Ciaramella as the government employee who lodged the whistleblower complaint, he has not been officially identified as such. As a result, this article makes a distinction between public information released about the unnamed whistleblower/CIA analyst and specific information about Ciaramella. 2 2
IDBillzFan Posted January 22, 2020 Posted January 22, 2020 (edited) 21 hours ago, B-Man said: Sounds impartial ? These leftists have lost their damn minds. So embarrassing for all of them. Edited January 22, 2020 by IDBillzFan 2
njbuff Posted January 23, 2020 Posted January 23, 2020 Does anyone know who this non-whistleblower whistleblower is?
Koko78 Posted January 23, 2020 Posted January 23, 2020 9 hours ago, njbuff said: Does anyone know who this non-whistleblower whistleblower is? Jeffrey Epstein. It's why he didn't kill himself.
3rdnlng Posted January 23, 2020 Posted January 23, 2020 14 minutes ago, Koko78 said: Jeffrey Epstein. It's why he didn't kill himself. I heard he plead the 5th?
B-Man Posted January 23, 2020 Posted January 23, 2020 Twitter , which is predominantly liberal, just abuzz about impeachment. Worldwide trends Jim Lehrer 13.7K Tweets Prince Charles 64.4K Tweets #NationalPieDay 16.8K Tweets #DoomsdayClock 18K Tweets #ThursdayThoughts 81.6K Tweets #DragRace 23.5K Tweets #ThankYouJimin 211K Tweets Church of England 11.8K Tweets Mnuchin 57.4K Tweets Andy Byford 2
B-Man Posted January 25, 2020 Posted January 25, 2020 The Democrats' Disgraceful Hail Mary by David Limbaugh Original Article 5
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted January 25, 2020 Posted January 25, 2020 (edited) 32 minutes ago, B-Man said: The Democrats' Disgraceful Hail Mary by David Limbaugh Original Article ....his surprise witnesses are actually in government seclusion.......... Edited January 25, 2020 by OldTimeAFLGuy 1
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