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The Sham Impeachment Inquiry & Whistleblower Saga: A Race to Get Ahead of the OIG

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Time for a thread that won't be deleted. If possible, mods should merge the contaminated threads with this one to preserve its integrity...    Tomorrow marks the start of the public "inquiry

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I actually don't think what the AP said is wrong/bad.  Repubs are wielding it as an offensive weapon now because it was such an epic fail for the Dems.

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How the Great Impeachment Debacle of 2020 Can Be Avoided

by E. Donald Elliott

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It remains to be seen whether the human beings of the Democratic persuasion who serve in the House of Representatives will have sufficient foresight to avert the Great Impeachment Debacle of 2020. Imagine it is 2021 and Donald Trump has just been reelected after a bruising impeachment trial in the Senate, which exposed misdeeds by Democrats, the FBI, and the career bureaucracy, as well as by the administration. Perhaps Nancy Pelosi is still speaker of the House and perhaps not, but either way, Americans will be even angrier and more divided. The worst outcome from the Democrats’ perspective is if Donald Trump survives impeachment, gets reelected, and the Republicans take a majority of the House; in that increasingly plausible scenario, few if any checks and balances remain to temper the excesses of Trump’s revolution. “If you strike at a king, you must kill him,” Emerson wrote. Trump is no king, but neither is he above revenge against his political opponents. The question is what that revenge will be.

 

The only winner if we set up the circular firing squad of an unsuccessful impeachment trial is Vladimir Putin. As civil discourse and bipartisan compromise seem increasingly things of the past, Russians must be gloating in the Kremlin as they watch the American political class tear itself apart. The Russians have been using disinformation since the 1950s to try to turn us one against another. Fiona Hill, the national security expert on Russia who recently testified in the House impeachment inquiry, is undoubtedly right that Russia’s goal in all of this was to turn us against one another, not to elect one presidential candidate as opposed to the other. Whether Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton became our president in 2016 didn’t affect the Russians that much, but they reasoned that if they could sow the seeds of civil division, as they appear to have done, that could paralyze us as a country and prevent us from addressing our many pressing problems. Alas, they appear to be well on the way to succeeding.

 

The late Woody Hayes, Ohio State football coach and Midwestern philosopher, was asked why his teams passed infrequently. “When you throw a forward pass,” he said, “three things can happen and two of them are bad.” With impeachment also, three things can happen and two of them are bad: Trump can be removed, with about half the country believing it was a coup d’état, or Trump can be acquitted on a party-line vote, with civic division deepening and possibly the Democrats losing the House as a counterweight to future Trumpian excesses.

 

Fortunately, there is a third option that is much less bad than the other two. Rather than impeach Trump, the Democratic majority in the House can pass a resolution censuring the president for asking a foreign power to investigate a political opponent. That is a sure thing, as it only requires a majority vote in the Democrat-controlled House. It also has the virtue of appealing to the common sense of most Americans. Approximately 70 percent of the American people believe Donald Trump made a mistake by mentioning the Bidens when asking the newly elected president of Ukraine to investigate corruption, but roughly half of Americans also believe that his misstep was not serious enough to justify his removal from office.

 

“A good settlement is one that causes everyone to walk away a little unhappy,” we lawyers say. Censure satisfies that criterion. Many Republicans would feel President Trump was treated too harshly, and many Democrats would feel he got off too easy. Compromises generally have the defining feature that no one gets his or her own way entirely. But censure would be good for the country as it could mark a historic turn back to bipartisan compromise.

 

It remains to be seen whether we will go over the cliff of impeachment or come to our senses before we do even more damage to our shared country.

 

 

 

 

 

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On 11/29/2019 at 1:48 PM, RoyBatty is alive said:

 

 

Yeah sure, she started to do it in 2017. 

1) When excatly did she decide to run for president?

2) Shocking , out of the kindness of her heart and for full disclosure she lets every knew she is doing it.  

 

Her paying more in taxes is nothing more than political posturing, a stunt.

 

On 11/29/2019 at 1:51 PM, snafu said:

 

All I’m saying is that if she stops after she loses, then you’re right.

Can’t really say that now.

 

 

 

 

I could care less about Liz's political stunt of voluntarily paying a higher tax rate and if she continues after the election

 

I just hope she has realized that puppy she adopted is more than a campaign prop

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 Screen-Shot-2019-12-01-at-9.23.37-AM.png     ALL THE PRESIDENT’S MEN, TAKE 2

 

Lee Smith is the author of The Plot Against the President: The True Story of How Congressman Devin Nunes Uncovered the Biggest Political Scandal in US History. The book is an invaluable companion to Andrew McCarthy’s Ball of Collusion: The Plot to Rig an Election and Destroy a Presidency; it adds to and amplifies the case McCarthy makes. I wrote about McCarthy’s book in “All the president’s men, Obama style.” Smith’s book elaborates on the theme to which I alluded in the heading of that post. I urge all readers with an interest in this incredible scandal to read both books.

 

Lee Smith is a great journalist. This bears on one of the book’s principal themes: the complicity of the press in peddling the hoax alleging the collusion of the Trump campaign with organs of the Russian government. In peddling the hoax, the most prominent organs of the mainstream media were the accomplices of the perpetrators. The book cites the relevant stories and relentlessly names names demonstrating the “collusion” of the press with the Clinton campaign and the government — the FBI, the CIA, the Department of Justice — in peddling the Russian hoax as news.

 

Within the profession there has been no reckoning for the misconduct that the book makes out. On the contrary, at the profession’s upper reaches, we have seen only the renewed commitment to carry on the campaign to remove Trump from office. This book may be the closest we ever get to the day of reckoning that is due the press.

 

We published an excerpt illustrative of this strand of the book this past Friday. In this excerpt Smith addressed the January 10, 2017 CNN story “Intel chiefs presented Trump with claims of Russian efforts to compromise him.” Running under the byline of Evan Perez, Jim Sciutto, Jake Tapper and Carl Bernstein, the story peddled the Russia hoax based on the patently absurd Steele Dossier, which had not yet been made public. As the book notes, the story referred to the dossier’s most serious charge, “allegations that there was a continuing exchange of information during the campaign between Trump surrogates and intermediaries for the Russian government.”

 

Immediately following the CNN story BuzzFeed published the Steele Dossier. Tapper thought that the publication of the Steele Dossier detracted from the credibility of his story based on it. It certainly did for anyone who read it with a shred of critical intellect. The logic of Tapper’s consternation, however, dictated against the publication of the CNN story and the relentless propagation of the hoax by CNN and others for the first two years of the Trump administration.

 

Nevertheless, Tapper needn’t have worried. The Steele Dossier still serves as a sort of gospel on the left. They still believe.

 

A second theme of the book is the role of the Obama administration in perpetrating the Russia hoax. Following the 2016 election, the Russia hoax involved the orchestrated disempowerment of the incoming administration and the removal of Trump from office. While the press held itself out as pursuing Trump in a scandal with echoes of Watergate, the scandal represented the handiwork of the Obama administration and the press served as its handmaiden. Referring to the method of operation pioneered by Obama to support the Iran deal, Smith puts it this way: “It was Obama who was most like Nixon, because Trump’s predecessor used the resources of the federal government, sensitive surveillance program and staff, to spy on his opponents.”

 

Smith writes: “The coup started almost immediately after the polls closed.” The ground had been well laid by then.

 

A third theme of the book is the revelation of the coup. This gives the book its subtitle: “The True Story of How Congressman Devin Nunes Uncovered the Biggest Political Scandal in US History.” The book reminds us that much of what we know about the Russia hoax is attributable to the work of Devin Nunes, and it reports how Nunes has paid the price. I have embedded a copy of the Nunes memo released on February 2018 at the bottom of this post. For much of what we have learned to date we owe Rep. Nunes a debt of gratitude.

 

More at the Link:

 

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2 hours ago, B-Man said:

 

 

What’s the rush?

Schiff’s committee is only giving members 24 hours to review the impeachment report before voting

 

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so... they are going to vote on whether or not to approve the report which will probably allege high crimes and misdemeanors before the Judiciary holds their hearing Wednesday on what the constitutional threshold for impeachment should be? i'm telling you, you just can't make this ***** up.

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1 minute ago, Foxx said:

so... they are going to vote on whether or not to approve the report which will probably allege high crimes and misdemeanors before the Judiciary holds their hearing Wednesday on what the constitutional threshold for impeachment should be? i'm telling you, you just can't make this ***** up.


they need a life

 

and they are setting up such a bear trap on their balls when the shoe is on the other foot

 

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3 minutes ago, row_33 said:


they need a life

 

and they are setting up such a bear trap on their balls when the shoe is on the other foot

 

i mean, they have to suffer from a cognitive dissonance so large that it would span not only space, but all of time as well.

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7 minutes ago, Foxx said:

i mean, they have to suffer from a cognitive dissonance so large that it would span not only space, but all of time as well.


try to teach children that ideas and actions do matter, it’s not a big game or joke if things don’t go your way all the time

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