John Adams Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, 3rdnlng said: So, now you believe him? I agree with Trump on many things. Not on others. 3 minutes ago, Nanker said: Au Contraire. Not to influence opinion - but to mock, chide, and deride. And reinforce the walls of your echo chamber. Memes work on you because they are catchy. Edited December 20, 2019 by John Adams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 3 minutes ago, John Adams said: I agree with Trump on many things. Not on others. And reinforce the walls of your echo chamber. Memes work on you because they are catchy. At least it's a chamber. Your echoes are entirely in your own head. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 16 minutes ago, John Adams said: And reinforce the walls of your echo chamber. Memes work on you because they are catchy. Doesn't this prove that Russians weren't successful in shaping the election results if they were simply preaching to the choir with their catchy memes? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 How do you prove that Russian interference, which clearly happened, influenced a single vote? And if it did influence any votes, did it happen in districts where it would’ve made a difference? And if a few million dollars in Facebook ads was enough to overcome over $1 billion spent by Hillary… 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 3 minutes ago, Doc said: How do you prove that Russian interference, which clearly happened, influenced a single vote? And if it did influence any votes, did it happen in districts where it would’ve made a difference? And if a few million dollars in Facebook ads was enough to overcome over $1 billion spent by Hillary… The big difference between the Facebook ads and Hillary, though, is that people in Wisconsin saw the Facebook ads... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Callahan Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 2 minutes ago, Doc said: How do you prove that Russian interference, which clearly happened, influenced a single vote? And if it did influence any votes, did it happen in districts where it would’ve made a difference? And if a few million dollars in Facebook ads was enough to overcome over $1 billion spent by Hillary… That's the modern lefty logic. It must always be due to some conspiracy. Some bad entity. they must be a victim. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Adams Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 18 minutes ago, Chris farley said: That's the modern lefty logic. It must always be due to some conspiracy. Some bad entity. they must be a victim. 31 minutes ago, GG said: Doesn't this prove that Russians weren't successful in shaping the election results if they were simply preaching to the choir with their catchy memes? No one has any idea if the ads were effective or not. I didn't think back then that they swayed votes, mostly because I'd like to give people the benefit of the doubt that they didn't. Sitting here in 2020 and seeing how meme- and twitter-fied the influence game has become, maybe my opinion on that is changing. But whether they were successful or not, that they did it should be of concern. Most of this board, however, downplays and jokes about it like it was nothing. Russia can be bad. And Trump cannot have colluded. Both are possible. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 26 minutes ago, Chris farley said: That's the modern lefty logic. It must always be due to some conspiracy. Some bad entity. they must be a victim. Oh, a Trump supporter talking about logic. Run a long and play with your Tonka Trucks now. You pretend to run over Democratic women? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 13 minutes ago, Doc said: How do you prove that Russian interference, which clearly happened, influenced a single vote? And if it did influence any votes, did it happen in districts where it would’ve made a difference? And if a few million dollars in Facebook ads was enough to overcome over $1 billion spent by Hillary… You know it didn't change a single vote because the media hasn't put people on TV or otherwise interviewed any that will say they were duped by Russians. Robert Epstein has done some research which suggests that google impacted millions of votes in Hillary's favor. https://fairpress.net/dr-robert-epstein-on-googles-ability-to-affect-the-outcome-of-elections/ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, John Adams said: No one has any idea if the ads were effective or not. I didn't think back then that they swayed votes, mostly because I'd like to give people the benefit of the doubt that they didn't. Sitting here in 2020 and seeing how meme- and twitter-fied the influence game has become, maybe my opinion on that is changing. But whether they were successful or not, that they did it should be of concern. Most of this board, however, downplays and jokes about it like it was nothing. Russia can be bad. And Trump cannot have colluded. Both are possible. you better go check your temperature, i think you might be running a fever. Edited December 20, 2019 by Foxx 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 13 minutes ago, John Adams said: No one has any idea if the ads were effective or not. I didn't think back then that they swayed votes, mostly because I'd like to give people the benefit of the doubt that they didn't. Sitting here in 2020 and seeing how meme- and twitter-fied the influence game has become, maybe my opinion on that is changing. But whether they were successful or not, that they did it should be of concern. Most of this board, however, downplays and jokes about it like it was nothing. Russia can be bad. And Trump cannot have colluded. Both are possible. You tacitly admit that the ads aren't effective because you constantly make fun of internet memes. If you were truly concerned about their meddling, you'd be more outraged that the country got hijacked by a wayward investigation of a President. You seem to want credit for admitting that Russia interfered, but your actions certainly don't support your position that you really care about the true effects of that meddling, because then you'd have to admit that Greggy was right. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 22 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Oh, a Trump supporter talking about logic. Run a long and play with your Tonka Trucks now. You pretend to run over Democratic women? ...and to think the advent of Fisher-Price wi fi spawned you....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 3 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...and to think the advent of Fisher-Price wi fi spawned you....... I was born to play great music! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 SHE HAD TO SHRED THE CONSTITUTION TO SAVE IT: Alan Dershowitz on Pelosi Withholding a Senate Trial: ‘It’s Difficult to Imagine Anything More Unconstitutional.’ . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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John Adams Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 54 minutes ago, GG said: You tacitly admit that the ads aren't effective because you constantly make fun of internet memes. What nonsense is this? I make fun of memes. And they are of course effective, otherwise they wouldn't be so widespread. 54 minutes ago, GG said: If you were truly concerned about their meddling, you'd be more outraged that the country got hijacked by a wayward investigation of a President. I can be concerned about both Is this so hard to understand? This board's lack of concern and outright mockery of the Russian meddling is absurd, so I keep pointing it out. 54 minutes ago, GG said: You seem to want credit for admitting that Russia interfered, but your actions certainly don't support your position that you really care about the true effects of that meddling, because then you'd have to admit that Greggy was right. Some bad actors pushed for positive results to an investigation and did their jobs poorly. He was right about that and now I've said it twice in response to your stupid assertion that I can't say it. Very few qualifiers on that, for your and his benefit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 33 minutes ago, B-Man said: SHE HAD TO SHRED THE CONSTITUTION TO SAVE IT: Alan Dershowitz on Pelosi Withholding a Senate Trial: ‘It’s Difficult to Imagine Anything More Unconstitutional.’ . Really? The GM bankruptcy, the Chrysler bailout, the Paris Agreement, the ACA, DACA, NLRB appointments, abuse of Title IX. And that's just Obama. 1 minute ago, John Adams said: Is this so hard to understand? This board's lack of concern and outright mockery of the Russian meddling is absurd, so I keep pointing it out. Three million dollars in Facebook ads? Yes, I'll mock that. If American democracy can't survive three million in Facebook ads, we don't deserve democracy. If Hillary couldn't fight off three million in Facebook ads, she didn't deserve to be President anyway. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 53 minutes ago, John Adams said: What nonsense is this? I make fun of memes. And they are of course effective, otherwise they wouldn't be so widespread. I can be concerned about both Is this so hard to understand? This board's lack of concern and outright mockery of the Russian meddling is absurd, so I keep pointing it out. Some bad actors pushed for positive results to an investigation and did their jobs poorly. He was right about that and now I've said it twice in response to your stupid assertion that I can't say it. Very few qualifiers on that, for your and his benefit. You can't have it both ways. You can't claim that the catchy memes are perfect for like-minded thinkers and then claim that the memes can have can effect an election outcome. For the latter to apply, memes also have to be effective to sway someone's mind, which I haven't seen you argue at all. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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DC Tom Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 3 hours ago, GG said: You can't have it both ways. You can't claim that the catchy memes are perfect for like-minded thinkers and then claim that the memes can have can effect an election outcome. For the latter to apply, memes also have to be effective to sway someone's mind, which I haven't seen you argue at all. Hey, they swayed Comey's mind. The whole reason he gave a press conference about Clinton's email server and refused to recommend criminal prosecution is because Russian memes convinced him not to. No, I'm not kidding. Look it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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