Casey D Posted November 12, 2019 Posted November 12, 2019 Reading Jim Kubiak's weekly analysis of Allen's play in today's BN drives home that football is about mistakes and missed opportunities. Allen fumbled and missed several reads in the second half against the Browns-- mistakes and missed opportunities. The Bills lost the game, Cleveland did little to win it. That also explains why NE has been so good for two decades. It's not that they are perfect, but Belichick and Brady don't make mistakes and they take full advantage of the opportunities presented to them. Doing those two things leads to greatness. All this gives me hope for Allen. He is a smart guy and seems to work hard. Right now, he makes too many mistakes ,e.g., fumbling, and passes on too many opportunities, e.g., missed reads, but with his inherent intelligence, I am hopeful that all he needs is continued experience to get there. It is clear his skill set far exceeds past Buffalo QB failures, e.g. Tyrod, EJ, Losman etc., etc., and his problems seem like things that will get better as he gains experience. Certainly he deserves a much longer rope, IMO. I know we live in an instant gratification world, but I think patience is warranted here. Just my opinion 4
JoPar_v2 Posted November 12, 2019 Posted November 12, 2019 So how many of the Bills’ 6 wins this year were actually “won” by the Bills and how many were just lost by our opponents? Or does this homer analysis only apply to when the Bills lose a game? 1
MAJBobby Posted November 12, 2019 Posted November 12, 2019 (edited) Bills are always the only team in the league that coaches the aggressiveness out of their QB because they are so scared of Turnovers. back to the Tyrod Taylor Offense Edited November 12, 2019 by MAJBobby 7 2 1
Wayne Arnold Posted November 12, 2019 Posted November 12, 2019 12 minutes ago, Casey D said: It is clear his skill set far exceeds past Buffalo QB failures, e.g. Tyrod, EJ, Losman etc., etc., and his problems seem like things that will get better as he gains experience. It is? They will? Aside from wishful thinking, what evidence suggests these two things? 1
Casey D Posted November 12, 2019 Author Posted November 12, 2019 9 minutes ago, JoPar_v2 said: So how many of the Bills’ 6 wins this year were actually “won” by the Bills and how many were just lost by our opponents? Or does this homer analysis only apply to when the Bills lose a game? Applies both ways. Buffalo "won" a couple of games this year where the other teams' kicker was awful. Cleveland game was chickens coming home to roost.
SirAndrew Posted November 12, 2019 Posted November 12, 2019 1 minute ago, MAJBobby said: Bills are always the only team in the league that coaches the aggressiveness out of their QB because they are so scared of Turnovers. back to the Tyrod Taylor Offense I agree, even Brady makes mistakes. Has anyone noticed all his picks in recent big games? That’s because they are playing aggressive, and more often than not he leads them back. Allen was always going to be a Favre type player if he became elite. Obsessing over playing mistake free defensive football (McD), is not the way Allen will ever succeed. He’s a boom or bust player, you take away the bust, you lose the boom. 3 1
ricojes Posted November 12, 2019 Posted November 12, 2019 Allen's comments yesterday said it all. When asked why he isn't hitting the long ball, he says he is afraid of under throwing and getting intercepted. The coaches are in his head big time, not a good thing. The Bills got rid of Tyrod Taylor, but they still have a Tyrod Taylor "don't take risks" mentality. 4
billsfan_34 Posted November 12, 2019 Posted November 12, 2019 4 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Bills are always the only team in the league that coaches the aggressiveness out of their QB because they are so scared of Turnovers. back to the Tyrod Taylor Offense This!!! Take the handcuffs off and let him play! Balance the attack. We freakin ran 13 times to 42 passes wtf? 8 to Devin when he is at 5.2 a clip- Dabs may be the most idiotic OC’s ever. 4
Casey D Posted November 12, 2019 Author Posted November 12, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said: It is? They will? Aside from wishful thinking, what evidence suggests these two things? Lots of things. I know you love to be negative, but Allen is far more intelligent-- look at his Wonderlic-- than his predecessors. He has a great work ethic. And if you look at his game by game progress he is getting better. It's not linear, he took a step back against Cleveland, but if you compare his first five games to where he is now, there is substantial progress. He needs to continue, but kicking him to the curb this early on is foolish IMO. Edited November 12, 2019 by Casey D 1
poblano Posted November 12, 2019 Posted November 12, 2019 No one is talking about those mistakes on defense, this game was full on missed tackles and poor tackling angles(several times by Edmunds). 3
PatsFanNH Posted November 12, 2019 Posted November 12, 2019 18 minutes ago, Casey D said: Reading Jim Kubiak's weekly analysis of Allen's play in today's BN drives home that football is about mistakes and missed opportunities. Allen fumbled and missed several reads in the second half against the Browns-- mistakes and missed opportunities. The Bills lost the game, Cleveland did little to win it. That also explains why NE has been so good for two decades. It's not that they are perfect, but Belichick and Brady don't make mistakes and they take full advantage of the opportunities presented to them. Doing those two things leads to greatness. All this gives me hope for Allen. He is a smart guy and seems to work hard. Right now, he makes too many mistakes ,e.g., fumbling, and passes on too many opportunities, e.g., missed reads, but with his inherent intelligence, I am hopeful that all he needs is continued experience to get there. It is clear his skill set far exceeds past Buffalo QB failures, e.g. Tyrod, EJ, Losman etc., etc., and his problems seem like things that will get better as he gains experience. Certainly he deserves a much longer rope, IMO. I know we live in an instant gratification world, but I think patience is warranted here. Just my opinion IMO Allen has been both clutch (4th quarter comebacks) as well as the Bills biggest issue. Before you all start yelling at me let me explain. Allen’s unforced errors have cost the Bills at least one win, probably more this year. They have also made games that should be an easy win a heck of a lot closer than they should be. This Sunday we will see how things go. I think Flores is a better COACH than McD, any man can get 2 victories with that roster is a dang coaching genius!! The Bills need play error free and not give them hope otherwise they could be an upset again. 1
Casey D Posted November 12, 2019 Author Posted November 12, 2019 6 minutes ago, billsfan_34 said: This!!! Take the handcuffs off and let him play! Balance the attack. We freakin ran 13 times to 42 passes wtf? 8 to Devin when he is at 5.2 a clip- Dabs may be the most idiotic OC’s ever. Don't think I agree. Allen took lots of shots on Sunday when he had open guys for short chain moving completions. He needs to continue to improve his reads, not just be a gunslinger. 1
ricojes Posted November 12, 2019 Posted November 12, 2019 3 minutes ago, poblano said: No one is talking about those mistakes on defense, this game was full on missed tackles and poor tackling angles(several times by Edmunds). The defense was really bad at times, no doubt about it. But the offense has enough talent to score 20 something points per game. If the Bills continue to average 16 points or whatever per game, they will lose all games where the D isn't perfect or close to it.
Bring it Posted November 12, 2019 Posted November 12, 2019 While I agree with the point of as Allen goes so does the team it’s not all on him. Execution and a couple more playmakers would help matters! The Pats have been a great team seemingly forever largely because of Brady and Belichick. But the rest of the team executes at a high level consistently! Blocking and tackling the basics of the sport are done pretty much game in and game out at a high level! Something that up to this point we haven’t achieved. Mcd preaches the process and part of that process is getting there. Hopefully he can keep the belief of his players long enough to achieve that!? But yeah Allen’s continued development is key to how far this team goes!!! Imo we need to make the playoffs if for no other reason but to keep the players invested in this process!! Once Allen matures ,these young players develop and we add a few more playmakers we could be a dominant team for many years!!!
GG Posted November 12, 2019 Posted November 12, 2019 Why is it a foregone conclusion that Allen going back to his gunslinging days is a good thing for his development? Wasn't that his biggest downside coming out of Wyoming that everyone said would need to improve? 1
PatsFanNH Posted November 12, 2019 Posted November 12, 2019 15 minutes ago, SirAndrew said: I agree, even Brady makes mistakes. Has anyone noticed all his picks in recent big games? That’s because they are playing aggressive, and more often than not he leads them back. Allen was always going to be a Favre type player if he became elite. Obsessing over playing mistake free defensive football (McD), is not the way Allen will ever succeed. He’s a boom or bust player, you take away the bust, you lose the boom. Allen is a Gun slinger, also a lot of Brady’s picks lately been because of receivers not catching the ball. (For example the one negated by the KC Offside in the championship game was right in Gronk hands.)
oldmanfan Posted November 12, 2019 Posted November 12, 2019 Allen is going to be the QB for years to come IMHO. His big thing now is reading defenses. That comes with time, and yes the time for him to develop that skill is growing shorter. Adding more pieces around him will also help. O line could still use a player or two. Obviously a really good WR. Ultimately for young QBs it’s about getting the game to slow down so you make good decisions. It’s slowing some for Josh but needs to slow down more. 2
billsfan_34 Posted November 12, 2019 Posted November 12, 2019 13 minutes ago, Casey D said: Don't think I agree. Allen took lots of shots on Sunday when he had open guys for short chain moving completions. He needs to continue to improve his reads, not just be a gunslinger. I respect that. I just see it differently. Go Bills
Big Turk Posted November 12, 2019 Posted November 12, 2019 35 minutes ago, JoPar_v2 said: So how many of the Bills’ 6 wins this year were actually “won” by the Bills and how many were just lost by our opponents? Or does this homer analysis only apply to when the Bills lose a game? Probably a lot of them were lost by their opponents or lost because our defense forces opponents to be very very good execution wise to put up points.
Hapless Bills Fan Posted November 12, 2019 Posted November 12, 2019 LOL! I think I know what you mean, but Punctuation Saves Lives! Let's Eat Grandma! Let's Eat, Grandma! Grammatically, your title reads "Football is really about...minimizing Josh Allen" ? I don't agree, but there's certainly a vocal contingent here who would. 6 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: Allen is going to be the QB for years to come IMHO. His big thing now is reading defenses. That comes with time, and yes the time for him to develop that skill is growing shorter. Adding more pieces around him will also help. O line could still use a player or two. Obviously a really good WR. Ultimately for young QBs it’s about getting the game to slow down so you make good decisions. It’s slowing some for Josh but needs to slow down more. You get it. Allen is a project. He's developing and taking steps. He needs more steps. Either he'll take them, or he won't. 2 minutes ago, matter2003 said: Probably a lot of them were lost by their opponents or lost because our defense forces opponents to be very very good execution wise to put up points. Except, of course, when we escort their RBs down the field and wave as they go by 17 minutes ago, Casey D said: Don't think I agree. Allen took lots of shots on Sunday when he had open guys for short chain moving completions. He needs to continue to improve his reads, not just be a gunslinger. Agreed.
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