Big Turk Posted November 12, 2019 Posted November 12, 2019 (edited) This is really interesting...they had Goodwin out as a gunner lined up out wide but back parallel to the punter. It allowed him to get a full head of steam without getting jammed at the line of scrimmage and he arrived almost simultaneously with the punt. Wonder if the Bills would try this with Foster or if other NFL teams start using this to allow their player to be at full speed and avoid being blocked at the LOS... Could be an interesting new look on punts coming soon....if i had to bet i would say Belichick is the first to replicate this https://sports.yahoo.com/49-ers-line-marquise-goodwin-up-next-to-punter-in-unique-bizarre-formation-024131999.html Edited November 12, 2019 by matter2003
Captain_Quint Posted November 12, 2019 Posted November 12, 2019 Kinda like arena ball where the WRs do it on pass plays. Good use of Goodwin, because we've seen firsthand how he gets swallowed up at the line.
bmur66 Posted November 12, 2019 Posted November 12, 2019 As long as you're not leaving someone unblocked coming after your punter, why wouldn't you do that?
Not at the table Karlos Posted November 12, 2019 Posted November 12, 2019 Neal gets down there before the punt with out a running start. 1
CLTbills Posted November 12, 2019 Posted November 12, 2019 On 11/12/2019 at 1:54 PM, Not at the table Karlos said: Neal gets down there before the punt with out a running start. Expand He's been incredible on punt coverage this year. 1
Not at the table Karlos Posted November 12, 2019 Posted November 12, 2019 On 11/12/2019 at 2:16 PM, CLTbills said: He's been incredible on punt coverage this year. Expand I don’t have any stats to back this up but I think the defense has been better with him in as well. 1
apuszczalowski Posted November 12, 2019 Posted November 12, 2019 Like everything in the league, if it works, teams will follow until it doesn't. Look at the Wildcat offence, no one used it until Miami tried it out one game and then everyone tried to copy it for themselves.
RoyBatty is alive Posted November 12, 2019 Posted November 12, 2019 I dont think it will catch on, two big problems with it. 1st, it has to be timed perfectly, if the timing is off by a second, easy to get offside and what if the receiving team moves blockers before the snap, there wont my any time to reset the blocking...... 2nd it will give the receiving team the go ahead when to start the rush
K-9 Posted November 12, 2019 Posted November 12, 2019 On 11/12/2019 at 2:48 PM, RoyBatty is alive said: I dont think it will catch on, two big problems with it. 1st, it has to be timed perfectly, if the timing is off by a second, easy to get offside and what if the receiving team moves blockers before the snap, there wont my any time to reset the blocking...... 2nd it will give the receiving team the go ahead when to start the rush Expand Can you expand on your 2nd point? As far as I know, the only thing that gives the receiving team the go ahead to start the rush is the snap of the ball.
RoyBatty is alive Posted November 12, 2019 Posted November 12, 2019 On 11/12/2019 at 3:01 PM, K-9 said: Can you expand on your 2nd point? As far as I know, the only thing that gives the receiving team the go ahead to start the rush is the snap of the ball. Expand true but Goodwin running to the line will be the ultimate "tell" as to when the ball will be snapped
K-9 Posted November 12, 2019 Posted November 12, 2019 On 11/12/2019 at 3:04 PM, RoyBatty is alive said: true but Goodwin running to the line will be the ultimate "tell" as to when the ball will be snapped Expand Goodwin can’t run to the line until the ball is snapped. A man in motion may only run parallel, not toward, the line of scrimmage. And his timing has to be perfect because he can’t cross the line of scrimmage until the ball is kicked. But that’s another matter. 1
WhoTom Posted November 12, 2019 Posted November 12, 2019 On 11/12/2019 at 3:04 PM, RoyBatty is alive said: true but Goodwin running to the line will be the ultimate "tell" as to when the ball will be snapped Expand He doesn't start running until after the ball is snapped, otherwise it would be illegal motion. 2
RoyBatty is alive Posted November 12, 2019 Posted November 12, 2019 On 11/12/2019 at 3:18 PM, WhoTom said: He doesn't start running until after the ball is snapped, otherwise it would be illegal motion. Expand ok, i didnt see it i was just read what the OP wrote. So why not have goodwin go in motion sideways pre snap to get a good head of steam and then turn up field And goodwin is literally a world class speedster, not sure how many guys in the NFL could match him
WhoTom Posted November 12, 2019 Posted November 12, 2019 (edited) On 11/12/2019 at 3:36 PM, RoyBatty is alive said: So why not have goodwin go in motion sideways pre snap to get a good head of steam and then turn up field Expand Three reasons: physics, biology, and biology. Physics: The point of getting a good head of steam is momentum. If you run toward the sideline and then turn 90 degrees upfield, you lose the momentum. Biology: Now that you've lost the momentum, you're also tired from running 20+ yards toward the sideline. Biology: I could see that leading to a torn muscle, ligament, or tendon. Edited November 12, 2019 by WhoTom
clayboy54 Posted November 12, 2019 Posted November 12, 2019 Teams will only utilize such a formation if they have a former Olympic long jumper that would rather be training for a track meet. So, no that's the last you'll see of it.
apuszczalowski Posted November 12, 2019 Posted November 12, 2019 On 11/12/2019 at 4:17 PM, clayboy54 said: Teams will only utilize such a formation if they have a former Olympic long jumper that would rather be training for a track meet. So, no that's the last you'll see of it. Expand I think he needs to use that skill to jump over the pile, I believe it's still allowed as long as he doesn't use someone to push off of. He could use his skills as a long jumper to hurdle the lines and get to the kicker! 1
Laughing Coffin Posted November 12, 2019 Posted November 12, 2019 too bad it seems like the NFL is calling a clean hit "personal foul: hitting a defenseless player" on a punt returner who decides not to fair catch the ball now
nucci Posted November 12, 2019 Posted November 12, 2019 On 11/12/2019 at 3:36 PM, RoyBatty is alive said: ok, i didnt see it i was just read what the OP wrote. So why not have goodwin go in motion sideways pre snap to get a good head of steam and then turn up field And goodwin is literally a world class speedster, not sure how many guys in the NFL could match him Expand how does running sideways help you to run forward?
RoyBatty is alive Posted November 12, 2019 Posted November 12, 2019 On 11/12/2019 at 6:30 PM, nucci said: how does running sideways help you to run forward? Expand momentum ace
Nextmanup Posted November 12, 2019 Posted November 12, 2019 On 11/12/2019 at 1:16 PM, bmur66 said: As long as you're not leaving someone unblocked coming after your punter, why wouldn't you do that? Expand Because football coaches are extremely conservative, they all stick together, and only do what they have been taught do by others doing the same things. There is not a lot of free thinking going on in the NFL. I watched the game last night and thought this "trick" on the punt was fantastic.
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