Allen2Moulds Posted November 11, 2019 Posted November 11, 2019 Sorry if someone already made this point, but I'm at work and didn't have time to read through every post. Josh Allen is playing mistake free the last few games (bravo), but it's also severely hindering him. The clear reason for not being able to connect on a deep ball, is his fear of throwing an interception. As a result, the ball always ends up in no man's land. Not only can it not be picked, but also has no chance of our guys coming down with it. I mean, he hasn't even been close. It's grossly overthrown every-time. I've felt this way for weeks, but he just confirmed it in his post game presser. They asked him if he can pin-point the reason, for not being able to hit the deep ball, and he just said, I don't know, followed by.......I don't know if I'm super anxious about under-throwing it, and getting an interception. The coaches have him playing scared. This is a major detriment to his development. News flash.....we are not winning the Super Bowl this year, but we have this special talent, that we need to develop. Peyton threw 33 picks his rookie year. I'm sick of this ultra conservative approach. The only we we are beating the better teams in this league, is if Josh plays up to his potential, and that's not happening with the leash that they have on him. Let him go, and win or lose, live with the results. We'll be better in the long run for it. 27 7 4
BillsBlue Posted November 11, 2019 Posted November 11, 2019 1 minute ago, Allen2Moulds said: Sorry if someone already made this point, but I'm at work and didn't have time to read through every post. Josh Allen is playing mistake free the last few games (bravo), but it's also severely hindering him. The clear reason for not being able to connect on a deep ball, is his fear of throwing an interception. As a result, the ball always ends up in no man's land. Not only can it not be picked, but also has no chance of our guys coming down with it. I mean, he hasn't even been close. It's grossly overthrown every-time. I've felt this way for weeks, but he just confirmed it in his post game presser. They asked him if he can pin-point the reason, for not being able to hit the deep ball, and he just said, I don't know, followed by.......I don't know if I'm super anxious about under-throwing it, and getting an interception. The coaches have him playing scared. This is a major detriment to his development. News flash.....we are not winning the Super Bowl this year, but we have this special talent, that we need to develop. Peyton threw 33 picks his rookie year. I'm sick of this ultra conservative approach. The only we we are beating the better teams in this league, is if Josh plays up to his potential, and that's not happening with the leash that they have on him. Let him go, and win or lose, live with the results. We'll be better in the long run for it. Exactly how I feel about Josh and the deep ball he's just scared of throwing picks 2 1
cgg716 Posted November 11, 2019 Posted November 11, 2019 8 minutes ago, Allen2Moulds said: Sorry if someone already made this point, but I'm at work and didn't have time to read through every post. Josh Allen is playing mistake free the last few games (bravo), but it's also severely hindering him. The clear reason for not being able to connect on a deep ball, is his fear of throwing an interception. As a result, the ball always ends up in no man's land. Not only can it not be picked, but also has no chance of our guys coming down with it. I mean, he hasn't even been close. It's grossly overthrown every-time. I've felt this way for weeks, but he just confirmed it in his post game presser. They asked him if he can pin-point the reason, for not being able to hit the deep ball, and he just said, I don't know, followed by.......I don't know if I'm super anxious about under-throwing it, and getting an interception. The coaches have him playing scared. This is a major detriment to his development. News flash.....we are not winning the Super Bowl this year, but we have this special talent, that we need to develop. Peyton threw 33 picks his rookie year. I'm sick of this ultra conservative approach. The only we we are beating the better teams in this league, is if Josh plays up to his potential, and that's not happening with the leash that they have on him. Let him go, and win or lose, live with the results. We'll be better in the long run for it. The most accurate post in history. Jauron ball killing us again 1
Mrbojanglezs Posted November 11, 2019 Posted November 11, 2019 Your probably right. The coaches are brain washing him to play conservatively and protect the football so he is becoming scared to throw interceptions on the deep ball. 2 1
Hebert19 Posted November 11, 2019 Posted November 11, 2019 A little more air under the ball and he completes a couple again yesterday. He just has to stop throwing them on a rope. 5
1st Ammendment NoMas Posted November 11, 2019 Posted November 11, 2019 BANG!!! These coaches have been stunting him all year and it's my biggest fear. Hell, he ran like a maniac last year and never fumbled. Why all the fumbles now. They have him so timid, it's sickening. This is an 8-1 team if they let us play ball. Maybe 9-0... I think we have it in us to get past NE if we unleashed the Kracken. 3 2
Mrbojanglezs Posted November 11, 2019 Posted November 11, 2019 Just now, Hebert19 said: A little more air under the ball and he completes a couple again yesterday. He just has to stop throwing them on a rope. Thats true if Josh is maxing out his arm, but he is not. He can put air under it and throw it 80 yards.
Hebert19 Posted November 11, 2019 Posted November 11, 2019 I'm saying throw those balls with more touch rather than rifling them 1
bmur66 Posted November 11, 2019 Posted November 11, 2019 Do we have a receiver that you can throw a 50/50 ball to with a high probability he will make the catch? 2 1
BillsfanAZ Posted November 11, 2019 Posted November 11, 2019 19 minutes ago, Allen2Moulds said: Sorry if someone already made this point, but I'm at work and didn't have time to read through every post. Josh Allen is playing mistake free the last few games (bravo), but it's also severely hindering him. The clear reason for not being able to connect on a deep ball, is his fear of throwing an interception. As a result, the ball always ends up in no man's land. Not only can it not be picked, but also has no chance of our guys coming down with it. I mean, he hasn't even been close. It's grossly overthrown every-time. I've felt this way for weeks, but he just confirmed it in his post game presser. They asked him if he can pin-point the reason, for not being able to hit the deep ball, and he just said, I don't know, followed by.......I don't know if I'm super anxious about under-throwing it, and getting an interception. The coaches have him playing scared. This is a major detriment to his development. News flash.....we are not winning the Super Bowl this year, but we have this special talent, that we need to develop. Peyton threw 33 picks his rookie year. I'm sick of this ultra conservative approach. The only we we are beating the better teams in this league, is if Josh plays up to his potential, and that's not happening with the leash that they have on him. Let him go, and win or lose, live with the results. We'll be better in the long run for it. I agree the coaches have him being ultra conservative. We say now that we should just let him play and not worry about INTs but then when he throws INT's we will be complaining again. I can deal with INT's as long as he is throwing balls that his WR at least has a chance to get or the DB makes a good play. I cannot stand him just chucking it up in the air because he is under pressure and doesnt want to throw it away. 4 minutes ago, bmur66 said: Do we have a receiver that you can throw a 50/50 ball to with a high probability he will make the catch? Can I answer that next season?
Allen2Moulds Posted November 11, 2019 Author Posted November 11, 2019 (edited) 10 minutes ago, BillsfanAZ said: I agree the coaches have him being ultra conservative. We say now that we should just let him play and not worry about INTs but then when he throws INT's we will be complaining again. I can deal with INT's as long as he is throwing balls that his WR at least has a chance to get or the DB makes a good play. I cannot stand him just chucking it up in the air because he is under pressure and doesnt want to throw it away. Can I answer that next season? Exactly, not all interceptions are equal. If you have a guy deep and it's picked because of an under-throw, but it was the right call, it was at least a good decision, just a bad throw. Not the hero ball, across the field type of garbage. Coaches have to tell him that they are ok with that. Don't be afraid of a pick in that situation. The other thing I hate, and some of it is on Josh, but I think this falls on Daboll even more is that we love to run it up the middle for 2 yards on 2nd and short, and than take a deep shot on 3rd and short. They have those two things backwards. It drove me crazy yesterday, and we see it every-week. Edited November 11, 2019 by Allen2Moulds 1 1
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted November 11, 2019 Posted November 11, 2019 I actually thought the deep one to McKenzie could have been on target (theoretical), but that it was over the wrong shoulder.
Ramza86 Posted November 11, 2019 Posted November 11, 2019 If he really said that...then we have a major problem for his future. I knew this season was about making him a more complete QB with the game managing and the improvement on the short passing....but...we cant have this next season. I dont mind if he finishes the year learning to take what the defense gives. Hes been doing very well with that.....but he needs to be able to do both. Hes got to use that arm and hit downfield and play heroball...WHILE being smart and taking what the defense gives. He has to be able to switch it on and off.
BillsfanAZ Posted November 11, 2019 Posted November 11, 2019 8 minutes ago, Allen2Moulds said: Exactly, not all interceptions are equal. If you have a guy deep and it's picked because of an under-throw, but it was the right call, it was at least a good decision, just a bad throw. Not the hero ball, across the field type of garbage. Coaches have to tell him that they are ok with that. Don't be afraid of a pick in that situation. The other thing I hate, and some of it is on Josh, but I think this falls on Daboll even more is that we love to run it up the middle for 2 yards on 2nd and short, and than take a deep shot on 3rd and short. They have those two things backwards. It drove me crazy yesterday, and we see it every-week. I would like someone in the media to ask Allen or Daboll who makes the decision to throw deep on 3rd and short. It has happened several times this season and it has never worked. When it happened yesterday I was yelling NO, NO, NO. and losing my mind at the TV. My wife and dog left the room. 1
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted November 11, 2019 Posted November 11, 2019 37 minutes ago, Allen2Moulds said: Sorry if someone already made this point, but I'm at work and didn't have time to read through every post. Josh Allen is playing mistake free the last few games (bravo), but it's also severely hindering him. The clear reason for not being able to connect on a deep ball, is his fear of throwing an interception. As a result, the ball always ends up in no man's land. Not only can it not be picked, but also has no chance of our guys coming down with it. I mean, he hasn't even been close. It's grossly overthrown every-time. I've felt this way for weeks, but he just confirmed it in his post game presser. They asked him if he can pin-point the reason, for not being able to hit the deep ball, and he just said, I don't know, followed by.......I don't know if I'm super anxious about under-throwing it, and getting an interception. The coaches have him playing scared. This is a major detriment to his development. News flash.....we are not winning the Super Bowl this year, but we have this special talent, that we need to develop. Peyton threw 33 picks his rookie year. I'm sick of this ultra conservative approach. The only we we are beating the better teams in this league, is if Josh plays up to his potential, and that's not happening with the leash that they have on him. Let him go, and win or lose, live with the results. We'll be better in the long run for it. 100% agree with you, but not sure if it's something you can change mid season ether now. If you try and change now I think you may be adding more confusion to him as to what to do and when. The offense around him is also rather limited so would rather see them change their thinking when he has a better team around him. That doesn't help the crowd who thinks we can make a deep run this year, but think they are dreaming anyway. Even if Josh opens it up, overall not enough talent on the offensive side. They still need either a true #1 WR or another top level 1A, a 10 year younger version of Frank Gore to compliment Singletary, and a tackle. And on defense, an elite pass rusher, plus CB help for Levi or maybe he'll be much improved with another year under his belt. He has still played less than a full seaso nof games himself.
RoyBatty is alive Posted November 11, 2019 Posted November 11, 2019 25 minutes ago, bmur66 said: Do we have a receiver that you can throw a 50/50 ball to with a high probability he will make the catch? No, not on this team.
HeHateMe Posted November 11, 2019 Posted November 11, 2019 2 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said: No, not on this team. Could of got a prototype WR1 in the 2nd round this year... but .... 1
Mister Defense Posted November 11, 2019 Posted November 11, 2019 1 hour ago, Allen2Moulds said: Sorry if someone already made this point, but I'm at work and didn't have time to read through every post. Josh Allen is playing mistake free the last few games (bravo), but it's also severely hindering him. The clear reason for not being able to connect on a deep ball, is his fear of throwing an interception. As a result, the ball always ends up in no man's land. Not only can it not be picked, but also has no chance of our guys coming down with it. I mean, he hasn't even been close. It's grossly overthrown every-time. I've felt this way for weeks, but he just confirmed it in his post game presser. They asked him if he can pin-point the reason, for not being able to hit the deep ball, and he just said, I don't know, followed by.......I don't know if I'm super anxious about under-throwing it, and getting an interception. The coaches have him playing scared. This is a major detriment to his development. News flash.....we are not winning the Super Bowl this year, but we have this special talent, that we need to develop. Peyton threw 33 picks his rookie year. I'm sick of this ultra conservative approach. The only we we are beating the better teams in this league, is if Josh plays up to his potential, and that's not happening with the leash that they have on him. Let him go, and win or lose, live with the results. We'll be better in the long run for it. Yes, at least part of the problem. I will now listen to what Allen said after the game. I think Allen looks very good otherwise and played very well against the Browns. Adding the long ball, completing a decent percentage of those, will help him to take another step forward.
Rc2catch Posted November 11, 2019 Posted November 11, 2019 21 minutes ago, StHustle said: Playing like Tyrod Taylor 2.0 right now That’s what I was gonna say. We took a big strong 6’5 guy with a cannon and coached him to be too safe with his throws. I don’t want to see the guy tossing picks every game, but I hate watching him miss over and over. He can’t lead a drive for a score consistently because he can’t hit enough passes accurately to sustain an entire drive.
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