Bills at Browns Post Game Post Mortem

[Franco_92]

2 minutes ago, Bills!Win! said:

 

This is like the 3rd comment like this I’ve seen today lol

And it's honestly more annoying reading those comments than the "insufferable" posts they refer to

[iinii]

26 minutes ago, london_bills said:

There's this whole development vs winning games thing. Why not let Allen throw to win the game for development? Mcdermott played safe to tie the game. Can't say he's wrong but there is a conflict. 

Development and winning are not mutually inclusive or exclusive.

[Dablitzkrieg]

I'm just concerned that the kick was short AND off Target.   He has no range anymore

[WideNine]

2 minutes ago, london_bills said:

The very best thing the bills can do is follow their plan but draft a QB high again. 

 

OK - that solves their problems how? I really mean this to be thought-provoking so let's look at all the other high QB draft picks from 2018.

 

You realize that Mayfield, though they won today, is 3-6 this year and his longest pass was 24 yards today and he leads the league in interceptions while having the luxury of an embarrassment of riches in regards to receiving weapons. He threw two or three into the hands of our defenders that were dropped today.

 

Darnold has PTSD after playing NE

Rosen has been bounced around.

LJax was not taken very high and is doing the most out of the group with his opportunities.

 

 

The biggest difference with most all of these QBs is how effective their coaches are surrounding them with talent, preparing game plans, calling good games with the right adjustments, and teaching their QB how to leverage their talents.

 

 

 

[london_bills]

9 minutes ago, WideNine said:

 

OK - that solves their problems how? I really mean this to be thought-provoking so let's look at all the other high QB draft picks from 2018.

 

You realize that Mayfield, though they won today, is 3-6 this year and his longest pass was 24 yards today and he leads the league in interceptions while having the luxury of an embarrassment of riches in regards to receiving weapons. He threw two or three into the hands of our defenders that were dropped today.

 

Darnold has PTSD after playing NE

Rosen has been bounced around.

LJax was not taken very high and is doing the most out of the group with his opportunities.

 

 

The biggest difference with most all of these QBs is how effective their coaches are surrounding them with talent, preparing game plans, calling good games with the right adjustments, and teaching their QB how to leverage their talents.

 

 

 

Decide sooner rather than later whether Allen has it or not. Otherwise they go down with Allen if he's not good enough. 

[BananaB]

5 minutes ago, london_bills said:

Decide sooner rather than later whether Allen has it or not. Otherwise they go down with Allen if he's not good enough. 

He has started 18 games so far. ?

[london_bills]

1 minute ago, BananaB said:

He has started 18 games so far. ?

Beane will not be sharing your outlook. 

[LABILLBACKER]

39 minutes ago, arcane said:

And it's honestly more annoying reading those comments than the "insufferable" posts they refer to

Following this team is insufferable....

[Urdad]

22 minutes ago, WideNine said:

 

OK - that solves their problems how? I really mean this to be thought-provoking so let's look at all the other high QB draft picks from 2018.

 

You realize that Mayfield, though they won today, is 3-6 this year and his longest pass was 24 yards today and he leads the league in interceptions while having the luxury of an embarrassment of riches in regards to receiving weapons. He threw two or three into the hands of our defenders that were dropped today.

 

Darnold has PTSD after playing NE

Rosen has been bounced around.

LJax was not taken very high and is doing the most out of the group with his opportunities.

 

 

The biggest difference with most all of these QBs is how effective their coaches are surrounding them with talent, preparing game plans, calling good games with the right adjustments, and teaching their QB how to leverage their talents.

 

 

Mayfield and Jackson are head and shoulders above the rest because they're better QBs. If you put Allen on the Ravens they're not beating the Pats by 17 and if you put him on the Browns he's not throwing 27 TDs and setting the rookie TD record in 13.5 games. And that was without OBJ

[BananaB]

1 minute ago, london_bills said:

Beane will not be sharing your outlook. 

We’ll see. They traded a lot to get him. They  also cut, released or traded pretty much everybody that surrounded him in his rookie season, so they probably won’t put to much emphasis on his rookie season when they evaluate him at the end of the year. As far as this year goes, we’re winning games, he’s slowly making strides and he plays his best when the game is in the line. Hate to burst your bubble, but next year will be Allen’s defining year.  That’s a ways away. 

[london_bills]

Winning hides everything. If we start to lose then Beane mcdermott and Daboll will be asking questions. Jobs naturally become more on the line.

 

In terms of your assessment of Allen, I've seen some of that but I don't personally believe he is good enough and I don't think more experience is going to do it at this point. It's fine, we can have a different opinion on Allen.

 

I think after 8 more games another assessment will be made. 26 games is a fair amount to make an informed decision on whether an insurance policy is needed. If I was beane/mcdermott and I wasn't convinced then I would be drafting a QB somewhere to come in to join Allen. 

[MJS]

We lost. It's too bad. On to next week. I'll be watching that game as well.

[Chandler#81]

9 hours ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

I said all week I thought if we lose today we are done. It wasn’t just a split second thing. There are a lot of losses left on the schedule. 10 wins isn’t happening now and 9 probably won’t be enough. Today was huge. It’s not going to just be alright after this

Please tell us we won’t be hearing from you again til next year. If so, the loss was worth it.

[Chandler#81]

9 hours ago, RunninRebel37 said:

Josh Allen isn't good enough to win when the defensive isn't lights out. 3/8 into the second quarter isn't good enough. it just wasn't good enough from the offensive and play calling but Josh Allen hasn't once beaten a team thats noteworthy. 

So incredibly lame. Congrats!

9 hours ago, TwistofFate said:

Allen missed multiple deep passes, very inaccurate throughout the game, fumbled again, and still can't hit a Wr consistently in stride. 

 

There is no excuse for him.   Wrs were wide open all day, he had tons of time in the pocket the majority of the day and he failed to produce. 

 

If we are really looking to make the playoffs and actually win a game, its time to put Barkley in there. 

 

I doubt this will happen because they want to "develop" Allen,  but its clear he's not improving.  

 

There is no reason he shouldn't be light-years ahead of last year.   We've brought in RBs,  Wrs, TEs, and offensive linemen to build around him.   He has not shown anything to show improvement.  

 

Wins me NOTHING at this point as our wins have come against the worst teams in the league by way of last ditch efforts. 

 

Im completely disgusted over his performance today against a 2-6 team with the 21st ranked pass defense.  

 

Enough of the excuses.  Qb position is a SERIOUS concern. 

Bye now. It’s been real and it’s been fun. But it hasn’t been real fun

[reddogblitz]

2 hours ago, london_bills said:

Good Post. Orton may well have got this team to more wins. As much as I'm not sure about McDermott I think he needs some credit for a 6-3 record. I agree that being exposed can be a good thing to an extent but it is a difficult thing to comprehend a total rebuild again. It's hard to see the bills getting better this season, at the moment anyway. You mention a new QB. Can this regime survive a QB change? I think its understandable that a project QB may not work out but will Beane and mcd be judged on Allen. And can mcdermott fire another OC, probably not. 

 

As to first bolded,  I think it may be time to bring a plan B QB into the fold.  They could absolutely survive it if the next guy (if needed) can win.  Winning is the best deoderant. 

 

As for the second, I'm thinking if our O doesn't improve a lot over the rest of the season, he may have to to keep his job.

Edited November 11, 2019 by reddogblitz

[row_33]

1 hour ago, Dablitzkrieg said:

I'm just concerned that the kick was short AND off Target.   He has no range anymore

they had enough time for at least 3 more plays 

[Chandler#81]

9 hours ago, CSBill said:

 

if you're that frustrated, go find another hobby, or another team.

He’s been ‘encouraged’ to..

[WideNine]

 

9 minutes ago, london_bills said:

Winning hides everything. If we start to lose then Beane mcdermott and Daboll will be asking questions. Jobs naturally become more on the line.

 

In terms of your assessment of Allen, I've seen some of that but I don't personally believe he is good enough and I don't think more experience is going to do it at this point. It's fine, we can have a different opinion on Allen.

 

I think after 8 more games another assessment will be made. 26 games is a fair amount to make an informed decision on whether an insurance policy is needed. If I was beane/mcdermott and I wasn't convinced then I would be drafting a QB somewhere to come in to join Allen. 

I think you are more likely to see a switch at OC before that happens if Daboll keeps shooting himself in the foot.

 

But you are right in that you should see steady progress after 26 games with an expectation that there will be few bad games sprinkled in the mix.

 

[reddogblitz]

2 hours ago, CincyBillsFan said:

 

But the bottom line is that until we upgrade the talent around Allen it's hard to see just how high his upside is. 

 

what's taking them so long? This should have started in 2018 if you're going to heavily invest in and roll with a rookie QB.

[Chandler#81]

9 hours ago, Lieutenant Aldo Raine said:

You're such an 

DON’T say it! He’s been kicked to the curb. No need for you to follow him.