Some mid-season thoughts re Allen and the team

[Rocket94]

17 minutes ago, Pokebball said:

While I don't disagree, I will never bet against NE in the playoffs.

While I am not a betting man, I can understand your caution! I can afford to just sit here and make  predictions! ha! or is it just a feeling that I have. Maybe just wishful thinking! lol!

Edited November 9, 2019 by Rocket94

[In Summary]

1 hour ago, nedboy7 said:

I think the one thing that stands out about how the draft picks are playing is That moving up in the draft is not smart yet we keep doing it.  That’s my main criticism of Bean. 
 

Yes. Falling in love with players and trading up hasn't yielded better results than letting the draft fall to us naturally IMO. QB is the only position that justifies bundling picks.

[Rocket94]

5 minutes ago, In Summary said:

Yes. Falling in love with players and trading up hasn't yielded better results than letting the draft fall to us naturally IMO. QB is the only position that justifies bundling picks.

Or if a team is certain it is a player or two away...there is a Bruce Smith sitting there.

[YattaOkasan]

Not sure we need to invest much in run stuffing DT. It seems more a need this year than in the long term.  We may already have one with Harrison.  And they should be able to find another big body later in the draft. Also resign Phillips. 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

3 hours ago, I am the egg man said:

Never thought Bills be 6-2 at the halfway point regardless of Allen’s play.

yee of little faith 

I did.   

 

but since you are an unfinished chicken ? I can see why  ?

 

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

FWIW I think the "boom or bust" label is that Beane's first round picks, including Allen, Edmunds, and Oliver,  were evaluated pre-draft as having exceptionally high ceilings due to athleticism, but had known gaps in their game to date which made them riskier than some other choices.  I think it's a fair label, and the jury is still out on all 3.  All have shown promise, and all have shown gaps in their game that they seem to be working hard to fill.

 

Beane wants to build a "great" team, and starting from a 9-7 record the first year, he had to take some risks.  If they don't work, he'll figure out something else.

 

 

 

...DEAD on IMO.........he is a forward thinker, something sorely lacking since the Polian era..........

[RiotAct]

I’m pretty happy with how Edmunds and Allen are progressing so far this season.  As far as Oliver, I think he’ll start to make more of an impact as the season winds down.

[Saxum]

1 hour ago, Pokebball said:

While I don't disagree, I will never bet against NE in the playoffs.

 

It is never a good idea to bet in a crooked casino.

1 hour ago, Rocket94 said:

Or if a team is certain it is a player or two away...there is a Bruce Smith sitting there.

Even Bruce was not Bruce first year.

[Rocket94]

4 minutes ago, Limeaid said:

 

It is never a good idea to bet in a crooked casino.

Even Bruce was not Bruce first year.

You are right. In the early days, Bruce was still learning. Van Miller referred to him as the snow plow in short yardage situations as a goal Line fb!

[LSHMEAB]

4 hours ago, quinnearlysghost88 said:

Re: 8

Every year some teams get to play a baby soft schedule. That's never us. I'm enjoying it. The Pats have enjoyed almost 20 years of 4 to 6 free AFCE wins on their way to playoffs and Super Bowls. No one says a word. 

Word. Kind of like the point differential in 2017 and needing a miracle in Baltimore to get in. I feel zero shame seeing a few breaks go the Bills way. Been a whiiiiiiiiiilllllllle.

 

One of the reasons I'm pro McD is that I have not seen those gutwrenching, "Billsy" losses during his tenure. 

Edited November 9, 2019 by LSHMEAB

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

4 hours ago, TroutDog said:

Josh had exactly FIVE passes above 40 yards last year. There is very little shift in that regard, contrary to the narrative here. 
 

I do like your list and appreciate the time invested...particularly the last!

 

Do you mean he connected on 5 or only threw 5?

[TroutDog]

2 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

 

Do you mean he connected on 5 or only threw 5?

Sorry, he connected on five passes more than 40 yards. 

[Conlan58]

One thing I truly admire about this regime is the way they are constantly trying to improve, and no one is mistaken for thinking what they have is as good as it is going to get. Previous regimes seemed all too content to keep the roster the same from week 1 to week 17 - McBeane is not afraid to go after players they think can improve this team in any way - whether through a trade (Benjamin) or a street free agent (Liuget). Weaknesses are recognized, and attempts are made to improve. That is huge for me.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

2 hours ago, RiotAct said:

I’m pretty happy with how Edmunds and Allen are progressing so far this season.  As far as Oliver, I think he’ll start to make more of an impact as the season winds down.

 

 

 

good call.... youngsters need time and develop at differing times......some sooner...some later....some never...........

[3rdand12]

4 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I'm struggling to parse this. 

 

Are you asserting that I claim "bust" doesn't exist? 

 

Or are you agreeing that with 1st or 2nd year players who were drafted as known projects with high ceiling, halfway through their 1st or 2nd season is too early to apply it?

Projects need more patience.
  Calling them busts is unfair in the 1st year, and even the second if they are improving.

Not all fans feel this way based upon where they were drafted.

The Coaches will know when their pick did not work out. That is part of the faith I have in McBeanes.
where Mr Brandon and or Whaley might have hung on too long, or pushed an agenda.
 Bust < project.

How much time does one allow to make a decision fro Allen (who has already been getting called out ) Oliver and Edmunds as well.

 all 1st round" projects"

 

[nedboy7]

3 hours ago, 3rdand12 said:

Projects need more patience.
  Calling them busts is unfair in the 1st year, and even the second if they are improving.

Not all fans feel this way based upon where they were drafted.

The Coaches will know when their pick did not work out. That is part of the faith I have in McBeanes.
where Mr Brandon and or Whaley might have hung on too long, or pushed an agenda.
 Bust < project.

How much time does one allow to make a decision fro Allen (who has already been getting called out ) Oliver and Edmunds as well.

 all 1st round" projects"

 

 

I agree with you but.......We moved up for both in the draft.  So that kinda puts the pressure on to be a great player to be worth giving up draft picks. 

 

Edited November 10, 2019 by nedboy7

[3rdand12]

15 hours ago, nedboy7 said:

 

I agree with you but.......We moved up for both in the draft.  So that kinda puts the pressure on to be a great player to be worth giving up draft picks. 

 

It does create that pressure for the player.

 That's okay, they should expect it

 But when some of us < me included btch about a player not living up to his draft status, it really falls on the GM and Coaches to make the solid pick and get the most from that player.

[Tcali]

".   and he will need to show that he can connect on the long throws like he did last year,).""---he didnt show squat in that dept last yr

 

other than that good post

[Socal-805]

 

 

Josh Allen sucks.

 

[LSHMEAB]

Allen wasn't awful; he's usually not. But he's really not progressing at an ideal rate. 

 

The play that immediately jumps out for me was the decision to airmail it on 3rd and 3 in the third QTR near midfield when he had ALL DAY to throw. Just really awful decision making there.

 

I think it's perfectly fair to say there are some serious questions as to whether or not he'll get there. Getting into the territory where it's put up or this is "who he is."

Edited November 10, 2019 by LSHMEAB