SCBills Posted November 6, 2019 Posted November 6, 2019 25 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: He looked pretty much exactly like Mitch T in his 2nd year. Which is bad when you know what Trubisky became in Year 3, but coming into this year everyone was high on the dude given his Year 2. 1
apuszczalowski Posted November 6, 2019 Posted November 6, 2019 Who hasn't looked better then Mitch? 1
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted November 6, 2019 Posted November 6, 2019 2 hours ago, SlimShady'sGhost said: Wasn't this a topic already discussed in numerous threads? one big one was Trubisky, hanging on by a thread Now now don't go all evil bot 1
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted November 6, 2019 Posted November 6, 2019 Trubisky did have a game last year where he went for 350 and 6 TDs. After that people put him in the conversation with Watson and Mahomes etc. I think there's a few factors... their defense isn't getting takeaways at a ridiculous rate like last year. They also haven't had much of a run game all season, and he seems to be running less as a QB which is basically killing their O. Doesn't seem like they are finding ways to get Cohen involved as much either. 1
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted November 6, 2019 Posted November 6, 2019 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: Now now don't go all evil bot LOL redundancy gets redundant Mitch is not good, so this comparison is an insult IMO in his 3 seasons Mitch has showed that he isn't good In two season Josh has shown a remarkable improvement if I wanted to compare stats I'd go to the Kelly thread Edited November 6, 2019 by SlimShady'sGhost
Formerly Allan in MD Posted November 6, 2019 Posted November 6, 2019 Josh is slowly improving but has a long way to go. Mitch appears to be regressing. But it's all relative with respect to external factors such as offensive teammates and coaching.
syhuang Posted November 6, 2019 Posted November 6, 2019 Bears and Bills happened to play Eagles last week and the week before. By these two detailed analysis, it's not hard to see Josh is ahead of Trubisky in their development. Of course, Josh needs to continue to improve in several areas (long throw, fumble issue, etc), but right now, I don't see there are anything indicating he'll have a big regression in year 3 like Trubisky.
BuffBillsForLife Posted November 6, 2019 Posted November 6, 2019 6 hours ago, Allen2Moulds said: Stats aside, At some point you have to stop only looking at the eye test (which Allen generally passes IMO) and start caring that his stats are near the bottom in basically every statistical category. You need both stats and intangibles to be great and have sustained success.
london_bills Posted November 6, 2019 Posted November 6, 2019 6 hours ago, SCBills said: The strange thing I’ve noticed about watching Josh Allen this year, Pats game aside, is that I usually find myself thinking he’s played pretty well with the eye test... then I look at his stats and am disappointed when I see an average of 200 yards passing per game. He looks the part, but the deep ball issues and offensive consistency in general, are preventing us from seeing a QB, and Offense, that’s arrived. You are right somehow that he looks the part but the stats are disappointing in comparison to how he looks at times. I agree with the sensation you describe regarding Allen. Leads to not being sure of him either way as of yet. 14 minutes ago, BuffBillsForLife said: At some point you have to stop only looking at the eye test (which Allen generally passes IMO) and start caring that his stats are near the bottom in basically every statistical category. You need both stats and intangibles to be great and have sustained success. Ultimately true. If he is to be top tier, you need to see top tier statistically.
purple haze Posted November 6, 2019 Posted November 6, 2019 6 hours ago, Logic said: Josh Allen has alleviated so many concerns that people had about him so far this season. He has improved his accuracy, improved his completion percentage, improved his ability to read defenses pre and post snap, improved his pocket presence, improved on his willingness to hang in the pocket rather than bail early, he leads the league in game-winning drives... I mean..the only legitimate complaint people seem to have about Allen right now is that he's been more of a game manager than a playmaker. But think of that: JOSH ALLEN...is now an effective game manager. Something we were told he couldn't Ben Roethlisberger started out as a game manager. So did Tom Brady. They grew into what they became. Folks need to have patience. 2
BillsFan17 Posted November 6, 2019 Posted November 6, 2019 6 hours ago, TheElectricCompany said: Let me know when Josh throws for 350 yards and 6 TDs in a game. I think Mitch took alot of crap for a pretty good sophomore campaign. It's too bad he's taken a major step back this year. That's the benchmark? Because clearly it holds zero water if the guy mightily regresses afterwards.
njbuff Posted November 6, 2019 Posted November 6, 2019 1 hour ago, purple haze said: Ben Roethlisberger started out as a game manager. So did Tom Brady. They grew into what they became. Folks need to have patience. Hell, Drew Brees wasn’t exactly Drew Brees overnight either. Some of the QB’s who have started out of the gate like gangbusters have every fan of every team looking for a QB want said QB to be an instant superstar. That simply doesn’t happen. Patience is what is needed. Even in this instant gratification society, patience is a must. Remember the Bills offense when Marv Levy first became HC. It was even more archaic than McDermott’s is. Patience, patience, patience. 2 1
CincyBillsFan Posted November 6, 2019 Posted November 6, 2019 1 hour ago, BuffBillsForLife said: At some point you have to stop only looking at the eye test (which Allen generally passes IMO) and start caring that his stats are near the bottom in basically every statistical category. You need both stats and intangibles to be great and have sustained success. Fair point but IMO Allen's "unimpressive" stats are a direct result of: * The style of game the Bills play. Once they get the lead the Bills primary job is to protect it. They downshift the offense. Even in their 2 losses the Bills were not blown out. There has not been a game this year where the Bills needed to abandon their conservative game plan in order make up a huge points deficit. In fact going back to Allen's post injury starts from last year and you see the same pattern. Even last years NE loss wasn't a blowout loss. * A completely revamped offense in which 9 of 11 starters are new. * A lack of explosive, big play offensive skill players. The injury to Motor removed the only big play RB on the roster for 5 games. The WR's have been upgraded with dependable guys that can make clutch catches but would anyone confuse Beasley & Brown for game breakers? The Bills still get very little pass catching production out of their TE's, particularly compared to most NFL teams. The FACT remains that the Bills are a few missing pieces away from having an explosive stable of skill players. By next year I suspect that when needed Allen and the Bills offense will be able to throw the ball for 350 yards and win a shootout. However that will NOT be the preferred game outcome for the Bills. They will be fine with winning games 17 - 6. The Bills will never by a fantasy football darling on offense. 1
billspro Posted November 6, 2019 Posted November 6, 2019 8 hours ago, Allen2Moulds said: I know everyone will laugh at Mitch Trubisky now, but a lot of people were praising Trubisky, after the year he had last year. I personally didn't see it. They were able to mask a lot of his inefficiencies, but whenever he needed to make a big play (critical 3rd down/end of game) type of throw, he was off the mark more often than not. Josh doesn't, and won't have the stats that Mitch had, but he passes the eyeball test. He couldn't be any more different. I'd like to hear all the self proclaimed experts, on how inaccurate Josh is. That argument is getting a lot tougher with each passing game. Will he make some boneheaded plays from time to time, absolutely. So will Drew Brees, and even the great Tom Brady. Time and experience is the only thing, that can reduce that frequency. Allen makes big time plays on third down and in the 4th quarter. He is going to be a Big Ben type, he will just find ways to win early in his career and put up big time stats later. 8 hours ago, Logic said: Josh Allen has alleviated so many concerns that people had about him so far this season. He has improved his accuracy, improved his completion percentage, improved his ability to read defenses pre and post snap, improved his pocket presence, improved on his willingness to hang in the pocket rather than bail early, he leads the league in game-winning drives... I mean..the only legitimate complaint people seem to have about Allen right now is that he's been more of a game manager than a playmaker. But think of that: JOSH ALLEN...is now an effective game manager. Something we were told he couldn't do. And oh, by the way, he does things like routinely convert 3rd and 15+ situations, he leads the NFL's BEST red zone offense, and he's now gone 13 straight quarters without throwing an interception -- which is a big improvement for him. All of this within his first 20 games played. He has lots of room for improvement and no one's saying he's "there" yet, but if you can honestly look at his play from last year to this year and not see vast improvements and some hints of a possible franchise QB, well...I don't know what to tell you. Great post 1 1
billspro Posted November 6, 2019 Posted November 6, 2019 6 hours ago, dneveu said: Trubisky did have a game last year where he went for 350 and 6 TDs. After that people put him in the conversation with Watson and Mahomes etc. I think there's a few factors... their defense isn't getting takeaways at a ridiculous rate like last year. They also haven't had much of a run game all season, and he seems to be running less as a QB which is basically killing their O. Doesn't seem like they are finding ways to get Cohen involved as much either. The turnovers made him look better than he was. He was put in many favourable situations last year. He was brutal when they played us and it was still a blow out. Ryan Fitzpatrick has a game like that two. These QBs all have NFL talent and can put up stats when they are hot. Consistency is more important to me.
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted November 7, 2019 Posted November 7, 2019 3 hours ago, billspro said: The turnovers made him look better than he was. He was put in many favourable situations last year. He was brutal when they played us and it was still a blow out. Ryan Fitzpatrick has a game like that two. These QBs all have NFL talent and can put up stats when they are hot. Consistency is more important to me. The bears like averaged more than two takeaways a game... Unsustainable.
ganesh Posted November 7, 2019 Posted November 7, 2019 16 hours ago, zevo said: Everyone wants him to be pat Mahomes out the gate....some qbs take time to develop...Brady was a game manager early in his career...not saying he is Brady just saying some qbs take some time to develop. He has control and respect of his team already...that’s a huge plus...he is been good not great... Big Ben was averaging 20TDs a season for his first 7-8 seasons. He has pushed himself to 30 TD for the last 4-5 seasons when he had plenty of WRs including Antonio Brown. His Sophomore year was 17 TDs and 9 INT. I believe Josh is having a similar sophomore season.
eball Posted November 7, 2019 Posted November 7, 2019 19 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: So I have a lot of hope, but I don't see the point of comparing Allen to a former 1st round pick, #2 pick who is struggling in his 3rd year. Trubisky looked good last year and the question was will he take a step in his 3rd year or won't he. So far it seems to be "won't". Oh, come on, Hap, sure you do. It's only natural for fans to take a look at QBs drafted in similar spots and make comparisons. It is starting to look like Trubisky might be a bust. He has surpassed that "magic number" of 24-25 starts many experts believe are necessary before you know whether or not a QB is "the guy" (he's made 33). He's playing more this year like he did as a rookie than as he played in his 2nd year. Is it a blip? If I'm the Bears I ride him through the rest of this season, and then I've got to make a tough decision about whether he's my guy going forward.
badassgixxer05 Posted November 7, 2019 Posted November 7, 2019 18 hours ago, BuffBillsForLife said: At some point you have to stop only looking at the eye test (which Allen generally passes IMO) and start caring that his stats are near the bottom in basically every statistical category. You need both stats and intangibles to be great and have sustained success. 6-2.... Stats don't mean *****. If D is playing good, there is no reason to go out there and sling the ball around 50 times a game for individual passing stat leader boards. When we have been down in the 4th quarter and Allen was forced to throw he was clutch. Last week He didn't pass for over 200 because there was no need to. Now the Philly game I would have liked to see some yards as we were down, but 30mph winds make that just a little difficult. Josh from a leadership role looks as good or better than any of the young QBs in the league today. Ill keep him any day of the week. Considering he was the most RAW prospect taken, I think we should be really happy about what the future could hold. ?
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