Trent Williams- Medical Problem- Cancerous Growth in Head

[Mr. WEO]

14 hours ago, DC Tom said:

 

I can't begin to imagine how the Redskins' staff dermatologist could have possibly misdiagnosed this.  

 

ha

 

1 hour ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

Confuscious say "Man who jump to conclusion sometime land in sea of deception.". 

 

You may have insider knowledge unavailable to me, and for all I know TW is one hundred percent accurate in what he says.  However, given the very limited information available, all I really know is there is a football player engaged in a contract dispute with the team, who seems unhappy with his current situation, is complaining about medical services provided and level of care extended where he had a major health scare. We know the medical team will not offer a statement confirming or denying what he said because they cannot.  We don't know that a doc didn't tell him to have his condition checked out by a specialist, if he simply ignored the guidance provided or if they incorrectly diagnosed anything.

 

Whatever happened, let's hope he recovers fully. 

 

 

 

It will be interesting to see what was documented by the team physicians (who are all in a private practice group).  The Lead Team Physician for the Skins is the same person who is the Head Team Physician for the WS champ Nationals.  Was with the Steelers before that.  Haven't heard any other players complaining about her and her staff.

 

And, if you already had an ongoing beef with the team doctors, why would you keep asking them about the lump on your head (if he truly did)?  Why not just go have it checked out....pretty much anywhere else?

 

Seems like a lot is left out of this story.

 

 

[DefenseWins]

We all want to trust our doctors. That has been drilled into us from the time we were kids. But doctors are human too. Mistakes do happen unfortunately. That's why doctors have malpractice insurance for one thing. And a "team doctor" is gonna pay deference to those who write him his paycheck. That is also why the NFLPA has protections built into the standard players contract guaranteeing players the right to a "second opinion". But ultimately the responsibility falls on the individual himself, if he has concerns about any part of his medical treatment or lack thereof, to seek out help from an outside source. As we have now seen in both this case and the NYJ v Kelechi Osmele situation, the team is not gonna do it for them. 

[Utah John]

The bottom line is that Trent Williams has a very valid complaint about how he was treated by the medical staff.  He will get through this season and then be a FA.  The Bills have a medical staff that no one ever complains about, and great training facilities.  Gitter done, McBeane.

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

39 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

ha

 

 

It will be interesting to see what was documented by the team physicians (who are all in a private practice group).  The Lead Team Physician for the Skins is the same person who is the Head Team Physician for the WS champ Nationals.  Was with the Steelers before that.  Haven't heard any other players complaining about her and her staff.

 

And, if you already had an ongoing beef with the team doctors, why would you keep asking them about the lump on your head (if he truly did)?  Why not just go have it checked out....pretty much anywhere else?

 

Seems like a lot is left out of this story.

 

 

I think what we know at this point is substainally less than what we don't. 

[DC Tom]

1 hour ago, Nelius said:

 

You just agreed with a post that basically stated that years of experience has led to your distrust of doctors, so Williams is now a "mammoth idiot" for what, not being as old as you? He's retroactively an idiot because you in your old age have figured out that doctors are drug pushers? What an insane comment. Williams is not out of bounds for trusting his multi-million dollar medical staff. 

 

Yes.  

[row_33]

35 minutes ago, DefenseWins said:

We all want to trust our doctors. That has been drilled into us from the time we were kids. But doctors are human too. Mistakes do happen unfortunately. That's why doctors have malpractice insurance for one thing. And a "team doctor" is gonna pay deference to those who write him his paycheck. That is also why the NFLPA has protections built into the standard players contract guaranteeing players the right to a "second opinion". But ultimately the responsibility falls on the individual himself, if he has concerns about any part of his medical treatment or lack thereof, to seek out help from an outside source. As we have now seen in both this case and the NYJ v Kelechi Osmele situation, the team is not gonna do it for them. 

 

if the team docs clear you, you are perfectly free to demand another opinion and continue to refuse to gear up

 

 

[TigerJ]

I would never have thought to trust team doctors with anything other than football related injuries.  

[Reed83HOF]

24 minutes ago, TigerJ said:

I would never have thought to trust team doctors with anything other than football related injuries.  

I wouldn't even trust them for that. They are employed by the team for one reason and that one reason isn't necessarily for your benefit. 

[Formerly Allan in MD]

3 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Seems like a well run team. 

It's so well run that prior to the Snyder era they had a season ticket waiting list of many thousands.  Now, they can't give tickets away and are heavily dependent on selling tickets to Eagles and Giants fans who come to the games from out of town.  Redskin players comment that at times, because of the atmospherics, it feels their home games are actually road games.

[ndirish1978]

15 hours ago, Mr. Wonderful said:

I am familiar with DFSP.  They are very rare and can resemble something benign like a cyst but are malignant.  They can fool dermatologists let alone a team GP.   They may require an extensive surgery and can metastasize if  not treated. 

 

Thanks for this, now I'll never sleep again.

[bigK14094]

Trent was correct, the skins Medical staff was incompetent........

[Marv's Neighbor]

5 hours ago, Augie said:

 

My wife had her appendix out a few years ago. She had been in and out of doctors offices and emergency rooms for a couple years with terrible pain. Late one night we’re in for an emergency appendectomy. The surgeon comes out post surgery and says “well, that wasn’t it. Perfectly healthy appendix.” 

 

It turns out that once they removed the 3 tennis ball size degenerative fibroids a couple years later that they had long been aware of, the pain went away. Go figure! That was like the 5th doctor, and the only one with any common sense. In the meantime, they had referred her to an oncologist regarding something on her pancreas.  The oncologist couldn’t work her in for more than 2 months....for possible pancreatic cancer. WTF? 

 

The doctor with a functioning brain who fixed her problems responded to questions about the pancreas with “How long has it been since they found this?” She told him it was over a year and he said “oh no, if that was it you’d be dead by now”. GREAT! 

 

My wife’s family is mostly doctors, so I give them a a pass because they are family. BUT, in general I am NOT a fan of doctors because they act and charge as though they know everything, and for the most part they are just pompous windbags who are guessing more often than not.

 

Rant over.  

My wife had a hysterectomy because of 3 fibroids.  We were living in Seattle then so i named them Manny, Moe & Jack after the Pep Boys.   Not meaningful to her till I showed her a Pep Boys ad with the 3 characters.  They were left in a hospital dumpster in Redmond WA.

[Augie]

2 minutes ago, Marv's Neighbor said:

My wife had a hysterectomy because of 3 fibroids.  We were living in Seattle then so i named them Manny, Moe & Jack after the Pep Boys.   Not meaningful to her till I showed her a Pep Boys ad with the 3 characters.  They were left in a hospital dumpster in Redmond WA.

 

When in doubt, take it out!

 

She finally got a doctor from Iran who is apparently a rock star in that field. My wife’s brother is married to an OB/GYN in SC. She was awed that my wife got in with him. Said appointments are usually about year out to see him. (AND, he doesn’t file for insurance, you have to pay him and file yourself, but whatever...the best get to make their own rules.)  As life often happens, my with just knew someone who, on a Thursday afternoon, got her in for Monday morning. The multi-year horror story ended with surgery soon thereafter. The SIL was so impressed she almost came to town just to meet this guy the day of the surgery. I had no idea doctors had idols in their field, but I guess it makes sense. 

[TigerJ]

3 hours ago, Reed83HOF said:

I wouldn't even trust them for that. They are employed by the team for one reason and that one reason isn't necessarily for your benefit. 

True.  I think some team physicians are more reliable than others.  Buffalo seems inclined to err on the side of caution under the present regime, so they might merit a little more trust than Washington, but even so...

[BisonMan]

I've actually had the experience of being a patient of a Redskins' doctor.

 

First, doctors to NFL teams are not exclusive to the teams. They are typically well-respected doctors from the community with their own practices. Mine was the one of the top orthopedic surgeons in Northern Virginia. How do I know this? Well...

 

For a number of years, I had shoulder issues from playing tennis. My local ortho had taken x-rays and tried to treat my pain with anti-inflamitories. After a few years of that on and off, I asked for a cortisone shot. "No way, that could make your situation worse". Well...okay. Yikes. She had me get an MRI. I'm thinking, "Why didn't we do this two years ago?" In looking at the MRI report, she told me that my shoulder was very "messed up" and that it was likely too complex an issue for her. She referred me to the "top orthopedic surgeon" in the area.

 

Next stop, the head doctor for the Redskins. I give him the MRI report and he says, "No, I need to see the film". We get the film. He spends 3 minutes looking at it and says, "Hmm, that's what I thought. The guy who read your film didn't take into account that you were 45. You have the regular shoulder of a guy your age. It's just inflamed." Five minutes later he gives me a cortisone shot and prescribes physical therapy. Goodbye shoulder problems. BTW, he no longer works with the Redskins.

 

Suffice it to say that NFL doctors are often the best in their fields but they are not oncologists. Most doctors in my experience see problems as always something to do with their area of expertise. If they wield a hammer, every medical issue is a nail by default. However, my guess is that the Skins' doctor said "It's likely a benign mole" (or something) but your should see a dermatologist. Williams didn't ("who needs a zit doctor").

 

The Redskins have filed a request for an independent review of their treatment of Williams. That tells me that they likely did warn him is some way and he ignored it and wants to blame the team. Too bad doctors keep records....

 

My 2 cents.

[yungmack]

20 hours ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

Right, but I acknowledged I’m a hypochondriac and figured it was all in my head. 

No, it was Williams head.

[Chandler#81]

4 hours ago, bigK14094 said:

Trent was correct, the skins Medical staff was incompetent........

The prognosis is close. The malignant growth is on his shoulders..

[Mr. WEO]

6 hours ago, Utah John said:

The bottom line is that Trent Williams has a very valid complaint about how he was treated by the medical staff.  He will get through this season and then be a FA.  The Bills have a medical staff that no one ever complains about, and great training facilities.  Gitter done, McBeane.

 

You say that not because you know it's true, but because he said so.

 

6 hours ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

I think what we know at this point is substainally less than what we don't. 

 

I agree.

 

5 hours ago, Reed83HOF said:

I wouldn't even trust them for that. They are employed by the team for one reason and that one reason isn't necessarily for your benefit. 

 

 

No they aren't.  They have huge private practices--this group is a large Sports Medicine group.  The Redskins are a tiny sliver of their business, no doubt.  Sure, it's a prestige thing to be the "official team doctors", but none of these guys are employed bynthe team.  They contract with them.  And no practicing surgeon or sports m ed person is going to put their ENTIRE money making practice at risk to heed the wishes of some goofball NFL owners.  That makes no sense whatsoever.

 

Williams is also crying that only one teammate come to visit him in the hospital.  That should tell us something about how he is regarded in the locker room at this point.

 

Let's see how this plays out.

[1st Ammendment NoMas]

The latest report:

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/nfl-nflpa-to-investigate-trent-williams-situation-redskins-likely-to-trade-pro-bowler-in-2020/

 

[stuvian]

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