20 Years of QBs and 300 yard Games

[soflabillsfan1]

2 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

Let's say you have a QB that throws one 300 yard game.  That in statistical terms is a N (sample size) of one.  From a statistical perspective you cannot base any conclusion on an N of one.

 

As I said above, I would be delighted if Josh throws for 300 yards Sunday.  But if they lose, then it means nothing other than a loss.

 

Not making a conclusion.  Just pointing out that in the last 28 years, 27 SB winning Qb's have thrown for 300 yards during the season and only 1 hasn't.  

[Putin]

On 10/30/2019 at 9:54 PM, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

300 yards passing just doesn’t mean that much. I don’t understand why Bills fans are obsessed with it. Just win the games. Most of the big passing days are teams playing catch up from behind. Just beat people. Who cares what the passing yards are? I think Matt Schaub threw for like 450 yards last week. They were getting beat all day and in the end, it means nothing. I get that people assume it’s a negative because it’s much more common then we see but we haven’t really needed it. That’s probably a good thing.

We lost to Eagles by more then 2 TD’s and our passing game was UNDER 200 yards against one of the worst secondary in the NFL , I’m not the one who cares about stats I care about winning , but when you are down by more then 2 scores , and you have to throw the ball and you CAN NOT complete a pass then IMO it’s an issue , 

one more point I want to make is this IF our D is having a bad day and we get to a shootout I’m NOT at all confident that we could win a game like that Especially if we are going against a decent defense!

Edited November 1, 2019 by Putin

[billsfan1959]

6 minutes ago, JayBaller10 said:

Anyone who says that having the ability to throw the ball up and down the field doesn’t equate to much (in the passing game era) is simply a lost cause for this discussion.

 

Nobody said that. 

 

Just now, soflabillsfan1 said:

 

Not making a conclusion.  Just pointing out that in the last 28 years, 27 SB winning Qb's have thrown for 300 yards during the season and only 1 hasn't.  

 

If you are not making a conclusion, then what is your point?

[soflabillsfan1]

Just now, billsfan1959 said:

 

Nobody said that. 

 

 

If you are not making a conclusion, then what is your point?

Just point out facts.

[billsfan1959]

Just now, soflabillsfan1 said:

Just point out facts.

It would be nice if you somehow tied those facts to what you would like to say in some meaningful way. 

[soflabillsfan1]

1 minute ago, billsfan1959 said:

It would be nice if you somehow tied those facts to what you would like to say in some meaningful way. 

Nah, that's ok. 

[Billsfan1972]

2 minutes ago, soflabillsfan1 said:

 

Not making a conclusion.  Just pointing out that in the last 28 years, 27 SB winning Qb's have thrown for 300 yards during the season and only 1 hasn't.  

And this defense is Elite & on par with that Baltimore Defense from what some were stating a few weeks ago.

 

Yes it is a lost cause as i just broke down the stats to show that 300 yard games were thrown in many games decided by less then a TD (both ways) and still some people don't grasp that it is a stat that correlates to competitive games & wins almost always.

 

These people seem to be completely mesmerized by McDermott's defensive & ball control mantra.   

[billsfan1959]

7 minutes ago, soflabillsfan1 said:

Nah, that's ok. 

I didn't think so. At least you recognize how ridiculous it would be to defend something like a QB who won a SB and threw for one 300 yard game during that season as meaning anything at all...

3 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

And this defense is Elite & on par with that Baltimore Defense from what some were stating a few weeks ago.

 

Yes it is a lost cause as i just broke down the stats to show that 300 yard games were thrown in many games decided by less then a TD (both ways) and still some people don't grasp that it is a stat that correlates to competitive games & wins almost always.

 

These people seem to be completely mesmerized by McDermott's defensive & ball control mantra.   

You didn't break down anything in any meaningful way at all. Seriously - are you that delusional?

 

Edit: There is actually real statistical breakdowns that show 300 yard games are not correlated to "wins almost always"

Edited November 1, 2019 by billsfan1959

[soflabillsfan1]

3 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

I didn't think so. At least you recognize how ridiculous it would be to defend something like a QB who won a SB and threw for one 300 yard game during that season as meaning anything at all...

You didn't break down anything in any meaningful way at all. Seriously - are you that delusional?

Are you having a bad day?

[Billsfan1972]

5 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

I didn't think so. At least you recognize how ridiculous it would be to defend something like a QB who won a SB and threw for one 300 yard game during that season as meaning anything at all...

You didn't break down anything in any meaningful way at all. Seriously - are you that delusional?

Read it again....  I broke down all the 300 yard games this year, how many resulted in games decided by a TD or less, where both threw for 300 and losing QB's throwing for 300 where the result was a close game & that means nothing?

 

Let me guess to you the only meaningful stat was Matt Schaub throwing for 450 and the game was not close?

 

You're a lost cause.  

Edited November 1, 2019 by Billsfan1972

[billsfan1959]

Just now, soflabillsfan1 said:

Are you having a bad day?

Nope. I rarely have a bad day. I am just pointing out that citing something like almost every QB that has won a SB had at least one 300 yard game that season, with no further analyses or context,  has about as much meaning as saying every QB that has won a game played at night, did so after the sun went down.

[billsfan1959]

13 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

Read it again....  I broke down all the 300 yard games this year, how many resulted in games decided by a TD or less, where both threw for 300 and losing QB's throwing for 300 where the result was a close game & that means nothing?

 

Let me guess to you the only meaningful stat was Matt Schaub throwing for 450 and the game was not close?

 

You're a lost cause.  

 

You didn't break down anything in any meaningful way. Would I love to see our QB throw for 300 yards every week? Sure, if it was in the process of playing a good, winning football. However, 300 yards is simply an arbitrary measurement. There is no statistical analyses that show 300 yard games equal wins. It doesn't exist. Please, if you can find it, present it and I will be more than willing to objectively look at it.

 

Also: you failed to answer my question I posed to to you in a previous post about your wanting to see Allen as a catalyst for the team. So, I will ask you again:

 

When a team needs a score to win and the QB leads that team down the field for a score, that qualifies, Right? So, wouldn't you agree that Allen was the catalyst for the team in his five 4th quarter comebacks or seven game winning drives?

[soflabillsfan1]

12 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

Nope. I rarely have a bad day. I am just pointing out that citing something like almost every QB that has won a SB had at least one 300 yard game that season, with no further analyses or context,  has about as much meaning as saying every QB that has won a game played at night, did so after the sun went down.

I cited the fact that 27 out of the last 28 SB winning QB's have thrown for over 300 yards that season. (That's a bit more important then what time a game is played) Then I gave my opinion.  In the context of a season, eventually you'll need a QB that can push the ball downfield through the air.  If you don't have that, you're much less likely to win a SB unless you have a top 3 of all time defense. 

[billsfan1959]

1 minute ago, soflabillsfan1 said:

I cited the fact that 27 out of the last 28 SB winning QB's have thrown for over 300 yards that season. (That's a bit more important then what time a game is played) Then I gave my opinion.  In the context of a season, eventually you'll need a QB that can push the ball downfield through the air.  If you don't have that, you're much less likely to win a SB unless you have a top 3 of all time defense. 

And I pointed out that citing "27 out of the last 28 SB winning QB's have thrown for over 300 yards that season" without any further analyses or context is meaningless. Period.

 

Also, having a QB that can push the ball downfield through the air when needed is a completely different discussion. A QB can do just that and still not pass for 300 yards in that game.

[Billsfan1972]

Billsfan1959 just refuses to evaluate or see anything meaningful about 300 yard games.  Sure he thinks Rodgers, Brees, Brady & Mahomes.... only throw to pad #'s too.....

 

Now to your last point....  If Allen had thrown for 300 yards in many of their wins, the Bills in all likelihood would not have needed to come back in the 4th.....

 

And remember I'm a Allen supporter, think he has the ability and skills to be the franchise QB & have placed 70% (or more) blame on the OC, the overall coaching philosophy & the lack of offensive personnel.

[soflabillsfan1]

9 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

And I pointed out that citing "27 out of the last 28 SB winning QB's have thrown for over 300 yards that season" without any further analyses or context is meaningless. Period.

 

Also, having a QB that can push the ball downfield through the air when needed is a completely different discussion. A QB can do just that and still not pass for 300 yards in that game.

Well that's your opinion and i disagree.

[Billsfan1972]

13 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

And I pointed out that citing "27 out of the last 28 SB winning QB's have thrown for over 300 yards that season" without any further analyses or context is meaningless. Period.

 

Also, having a QB that can push the ball downfield through the air when needed is a completely different discussion. A QB can do just that and still not pass for 300 yards in that game.

Riddle me this.....  Name 1 who hasn't thrown for 300 yards??

 

I'll answer it for you.....  There has not been a single one......

[billsfan1959]

18 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

Billsfan1959 just refuses to evaluate or see anything meaningful about 300 yard games.  Sure he thinks Rodgers, Brees, Brady & Mahomes.... only throw to pad #'s too.....

 

Now to your last point....  If Allen had thrown for 300 yards in many of their wins, the Bills in all likelihood would not have needed to come back in the 4th.....

 

And remember I'm a Allen supporter, think he has the ability and skills to be the franchise QB & have placed 70% (or more) blame on the OC, the overall coaching philosophy & the lack of offensive personnel.

 Let me ask you and @soflabillsfan1a question:

 

In Tom Brady's first SB win, he had one 300 yard game during the regular season and one during the playoffs. In those two games, he averaged 53 attempts to reach 300 yds, threw for 2 TDs and 1 INT, and averaged 22.5 points per game. In fact, in the playoff game in which he threww for 300 yards, he didn't have a touchdown and the defense bailed him out in a 16-13 win.

 

In the Super Bowl, he threw for 145 yds. Yet, when his team needed him, he pushed the ball downfield and put his team in position to kick the game winning field goal.

 

What was more meaningful? The 300 yard games or the ability to carry his team when he needed to.

 

I suppose we could use your simple analysis above and say if Brady threw for 300 yards in the Super Bowl, he wouldn't have had to come back with a game winning drive in the 4th quarter. 

 

9 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

Riddle me this.....  Name 1 who hasn't thrown for 300 yards??

 

I'll answer it for you.....  There has not been a single one......

 

My statement you responded to was "having a QB that can push the ball downfield through the air when needed is a completely different discussion. A QB can do just that and still not pass for 300 yards in that game." Allen led his team to wins in a number of games and didn't throw for 300 yards. Did you even read what I wrote before responding?

 

Still haven't answered my question on Allen being a catalyst for the team.

 

You are the cyber equivalent of a 3 year old throwing a tantrum in a store because his mommy didn't buy him the candy bar he wanted...

Edited November 1, 2019 by billsfan1959

[Royale with Cheese]

17 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

Billsfan1959 just refuses to evaluate or see anything meaningful about 300 yard games.  Sure he thinks Rodgers, Brees, Brady & Mahomes.... only throw to pad #'s too.....

 

Now to your last point....  If Allen had thrown for 300 yards in many of their wins, the Bills in all likelihood would not have needed to come back in the 4th.....

 

And remember I'm a Allen supporter, think he has the ability and skills to be the franchise QB & have placed 70% (or more) blame on the OC, the overall coaching philosophy & the lack of offensive personnel.

 

In the NFL this year, there have been 72 games of QB's throwing for 300 yards.  37 of those games ended up in wins....51% of the time.  

 

https://www.footballdb.com/stats/300-yard-passing.html

[Billsfan1972]

6 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

 Let me ask you and @soflabillsfan1a question:

 

In Tom Brady's first SB win, he had one 300 yard game during the regular season and one during the playoffs. In those two games, he averaged 53 attempts to reach 300 yds, threw for 2 TDs and 1 INT, and averaged 22.5 points per game. In fact, in the playoff game in which he threww for 300 yards, he didn't have a touchdown and the defense bailed him out in a 16-13 win.

 

In the Super Bowl, he threw for 145 yds. Yet, when his team needed him, he pushed the ball downfield and put his team in position to kick the game winning field goal.

 

What was more meaningful? The 300 yard games or the ability to carry his team when he needed to.

 

I suppose we could use your simple analysis above and say if Brady threw for 300 yards in the Super Bowl, he wouldn't have had to come back with a game winning drive in the 4th quarter. 

 

Allen led his team to wins in a number of games and didn't throw for 300 yards. Did you even read what I wrote before responding?

 

Still haven't answered my question on Allen being a catalyst for the team.

 

You are the cyber equivalent of a 3 year old throwing a tantrum in a store because his mommy didn't buy him the candy bar he wanted...

I'll wave the white flag because you have proved yourself incapable of reading a post or logical thinking.  

 

I have stated over & over that I want to see the offense play 4 quarters of offense (not just the 4th).  

 

I have stated over and over that I do like Allen, think he will be a very good player & blame most of the offensive shortcomings on the coaching staff and philosophy, but won't be sure until I see that 300 yard game, multiple games where he plays well for 4 quarters and see games where we consistently score high 20's-30's.  I'd love to win a shootout.

 

Brady was not the anointed one back then, was a 6th round pick thrown in only because of a season ending injury and was  only a game manager.  By season 2 he was the bonafied starter and had 3 300 yard games & 28 TDs vs. 14 ints.....