iinii Posted October 31, 2019 Posted October 31, 2019 On 10/31/2019 at 12:54 AM, stuvian said: While every other team in the league keeps trying to acquire talent and waits for that talent to bail them out, the Patriots are busy coaching up what they have knowing that as perennial contenders they will never draft very high. Then when those players outperform and leave for more money the Pats get rewarded with compensatory picks. They have a culture where the only star is Brady and everyone else has humbled himself to his role on the team. You can tell that they have a culture of unselfishness where the rest of the league tries to acquire enough stars for a title run only to blow it up when salary cap hell sets in. Rex Ryan misused Gilmore and Mario Williams just to name a few because his scheme was more important than using players to their best potential. Expand Well said!
Boatdrinks Posted October 31, 2019 Posted October 31, 2019 On 10/30/2019 at 7:27 PM, Coach Tuesday said: What does this say about that irresponsible previous regime which drafted him? Or the current regime who let him walk so that they could trade down, pass on two potential All Pro QBs, to draft his replacement? Expand The Pegulas should have cleaned house immediately after the 2016 season, hired a new GM and let him hire his HC. Then the team would have been in position to select their new QB in the 2017 draft. 1
billrooter Posted October 31, 2019 Posted October 31, 2019 On 10/30/2019 at 7:28 PM, Buffalo716 said: He was just as good here. He got no recognition and constantly had to play cover 0 and 1 with rex. Not exactly stat stuffing coverages He's always been a top corner Expand You really believe he was just as good here? We must have been watching different games he got beat alot here IMO and he was a ***** when it came to tackling.
GunnerBill Posted October 31, 2019 Posted October 31, 2019 Gilmore was always a stud. I was never really sure what his critics were looking at. On 10/31/2019 at 9:22 AM, billrooter said: You really believe he was just as good here? We must have been watching different games he got beat alot here IMO and he was a ***** when it came to tackling. Expand You were blaming him for getting on plays that were not his assignment. You know what is different in New England? They actually have safeties who do their jobs. I was not watching different games. I just watched them properly and understood what I was seeing. 1 1 2
Seven-N-Nine Posted October 31, 2019 Posted October 31, 2019 On 10/30/2019 at 7:42 PM, DrDawkinstein said: Because it's those exact irresponsible actions of the past which scare our current regime away from making trades. Apparently. Or at least according to McD? I dunno, but I agree with you. Expand The current regime makes just as many irresponsible moves (Benjamin anyone?). They trade up in every draft usually passing on much better talent in the process. This team is no better off, they are not really any better than Fitz, Orton or Tyrod teams, they STILL can only beat the worst teams in the NFL, and barely. McDermott sucks IMO, and his comment shows how much he sucks. 1
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted October 31, 2019 Posted October 31, 2019 On 10/31/2019 at 9:44 AM, Seven-N-Nine said: The current regime makes just as many irresponsible moves (Benjamin anyone?). They trade up in every draft usually passing on much better talent in the process. This team is no better off, they are not really any better than Fitz, Orton or Tyrod teams, they STILL can only beat the worst teams in the NFL, and barely. McDermott sucks IMO, and his comment shows how much he sucks. Expand Right. On Pace for two playoff appearances in three years. No better. You're a ######.
Seven-N-Nine Posted October 31, 2019 Posted October 31, 2019 On 10/31/2019 at 9:46 AM, Joe in Winslow said: You're a ######. Expand As are you. 1
Phil The Thrill Posted October 31, 2019 Posted October 31, 2019 On 10/30/2019 at 7:27 PM, Royale with Cheese said: He was the whipping boy on here. Expand There’s also a lot of footage of him not playing well and getting beat. Maybe he wasn’t used in the most effective way but it’s not like fans demanding more from him was unwarranted. There were times when he was not good
Seven-N-Nine Posted October 31, 2019 Posted October 31, 2019 On 10/31/2019 at 9:59 AM, Phil The Thrill said: There’s also a lot of footage of him not playing well and getting beat. Maybe he wasn’t used in the most effective way but it’s not like fans demanding more from him was unwarranted. There were times when he was not good Expand And it seems like that was pretty much coaching, right?
Phil The Thrill Posted October 31, 2019 Posted October 31, 2019 On 10/31/2019 at 10:00 AM, Seven-N-Nine said: And it seems like that was pretty much coaching, right? Expand A lot of it. Belichick put him in a position to be successful. But again, go back and watch Gilmore’s Bills footage. He gets beat quite a lot and doesn’t look great. My point is - fans weren’t wrong for complaining.
Seven-N-Nine Posted October 31, 2019 Posted October 31, 2019 On 10/31/2019 at 10:03 AM, Phil The Thrill said: A lot of it. Belichick put him in a position to be successful. But again, go back and watch Gilmore’s Bills footage. He gets beat quite a lot and doesn’t look great. My point is - fans weren’t wrong for complaining. Expand Hopefully this is a good lesson for fans to start realizing that what has plagued this team for so long is the inability of ownership to hire good coaches. 1
oldmanfan Posted October 31, 2019 Posted October 31, 2019 Belichick is the best ever. McD isn’t at his level. Same for all other NFL HC’s.
Jasovon Posted October 31, 2019 Posted October 31, 2019 He get away with tighter coverage and DPI in new england that he never could as a Bill. That's why he is playing better.
billrooter Posted October 31, 2019 Posted October 31, 2019 On 10/31/2019 at 9:26 AM, GunnerBill said: Gilmore was always a stud. I was never really sure what his critics were looking at. You were blaming him for getting on plays that were not his assignment. You know what is different in New England? They actually have safeties who do their jobs. I was not watching different games. I just watched them properly and understood what I was seeing. Expand I can see we aren't agreeing, so answer this football guru, his tackling has improved also? Or was i seeing illusions then also?
GunnerBill Posted October 31, 2019 Posted October 31, 2019 On 10/31/2019 at 11:20 AM, billrooter said: I can see we aren't agreeing, so answer this football guru, his tackling has improved also? Or was i seeing illusions then also? Expand He was never a great tackler - too many shoulder tackles and not enough wrapping up and he still has a bit of an issue there. But this idea that we shunned tackling is overblown too. I wouldn't say it is a strength of his game in comparison to his coverage skills but he can tackle. 1
dave mcbride Posted October 31, 2019 Author Posted October 31, 2019 On 10/31/2019 at 10:03 AM, Phil The Thrill said: A lot of it. Belichick put him in a position to be successful. But again, go back and watch Gilmore’s Bills footage. He gets beat quite a lot and doesn’t look great. My point is - fans weren’t wrong for complaining. Expand Fans are actually wrong for complaining if they don't know (or don't assume as a given) that even the best CBs get beat regularly in the NFL, particularly if the pass rush isn't there. 1
Saxum Posted October 31, 2019 Posted October 31, 2019 On 10/30/2019 at 7:23 PM, dave mcbride said: During his five years in Buffalo, Gilmore had three different coaches and four defensive coordinators. Expand If he played better and did not blame others for his faults maybe there would have been less turnover but it is easier unfortunately to get rids of coaches rather than 1st round picks.
Mikey152 Posted October 31, 2019 Posted October 31, 2019 On 10/30/2019 at 7:40 PM, Hapless Bills Fan said: Well, that, but the fact that apparently Patriots DBs just never commit DPI doesn't hurt Expand This is the truth... Gilmore was good in Buffalo, but he was also super handsy and got called for it quite a bit. Now, in NE, he is just "physical" 1 1
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 31, 2019 Posted October 31, 2019 On 10/31/2019 at 3:16 PM, Mikey152 said: This is the truth... Gilmore was good in Buffalo, but he was also super handsy and got called for it quite a bit. Now, in NE, he is just "physical" Expand Too true. To be fair, I do think that the NE position coaches work overtime studying calls and methodically determine what kind of physicality is likely to be called and what is likely to skate. Then they coach their players to be "handsy" along those lines. So we fans watching the cameras see it, but there's actually a basis for why they get away with it. 3
Mikey152 Posted October 31, 2019 Posted October 31, 2019 On 10/31/2019 at 3:19 PM, Hapless Bills Fan said: Too true. To be fair, I do think that the NE position coaches work overtime studying calls and methodically determine what kind of physicality is likely to be called and what is likely to skate. Then they coach their players to be "handsy" along those lines. So we fans watching the cameras see it, but there's actually a basis for why they get away with it. Expand I agree 100%...it's all gamesmanship. They have mastered playing football 5-10 mph over the speed limit.
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