Blank Stare Posted October 30, 2019 Posted October 30, 2019 (edited) Someone may have already made this point, but I took the comments as not only directed toward previous Bills regimes, but also as more of a macro level comment and an indictment on the moves made by the rest of the league. People get wild and crazy with the compensation for some of these players around the league (e.g., Tunsil, Clowney, Ramsey). Edited October 30, 2019 by TheProcess
BringBackOrton Posted October 30, 2019 Posted October 30, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, HappyDays said: You can die on this hill if you want to. I'm gonna back out. It’s just kinda funny. Watson was a projected top 10 pick. How hard would it have been to pick him? No GM in the NFL had Watson as a Brian Brohm 6th rounder. No one would say, “McD reached on a 4th round pick at #10!” That’s not with the benefit of hindsight, that’s a fact at the time. The Texans going to get Watson 2 picks later was not bashed. Watson had the pedigree, the big game experience. I actually accept your argument for Mahomes. Not Watson. Edited October 30, 2019 by BringBackOrton
billsfan_34 Posted October 30, 2019 Posted October 30, 2019 1 hour ago, Gugny said: I respectfully disagree. Classy would have not been saying anything at all. What he did was kind of slimy, in my opinion. Agree to disagree- Go Bills 1
HappyDays Posted October 30, 2019 Posted October 30, 2019 6 minutes ago, GG said: Every team scouts the top QBs. Do you wonder why Beane had his eye on Josh Allen since his sophomore season? Beane wasn't here.
GG Posted October 30, 2019 Posted October 30, 2019 Just now, HappyDays said: Beane wasn't here. He was in Carolina and was scouting Josh
Kelly the Dog Posted October 30, 2019 Posted October 30, 2019 1 minute ago, BringBackOrton said: Just like in the real world, if being so afraid of making a wrong decision prevents you from making the right decision, you are useless. I agree with Mr. McBride that the two or two of the three best offensive minds in the game were all over Mahomes in the draft. But he was FAR from a lock or automatic choice. McD is a conservative guy by nature, so he decided to go for the QB in the following year, which was already known to be loaded, as well as pick up a starting CB who turned into a stud. That is not a stupid choice or decision. Yes, he could have chosen Mahomes. And Mahomes would have got MURDERED last year on the Bills.
HappyDays Posted October 30, 2019 Posted October 30, 2019 Just now, BringBackOrton said: It’s just kinda funny. Watson was a projected top 10 pick. How hard would it have been to pick him? No GM in the NFL had Watson as a Brian Brohm 6th rounder. No one would say, “McD reached on a 4th round pick at #10!” That’s not with the benefit of hindsight, that’s a fact at the time. The Texans going to get Watson 2 picks later was not bashed. This is completely ignorant of how NFL teams work. No one looks at mock drafts or online scouting reports. They are doing a year of researching. Watching film, talking to coaches, meeting people in their community. This is Madden level thinking. 1
billsfanmiami(oh) Posted October 30, 2019 Posted October 30, 2019 11 minutes ago, HappyDays said: Drafting the right QB makes and breaks careers. This is entirely hindsight. There isn't a single person in the NFL that would picked a QB there with that timing. if anything, it bought him an extra year.
GG Posted October 30, 2019 Posted October 30, 2019 4 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: not surprised by this lamest of takes. At this point, this is the defining moment of McDermott's career as a Bills' coach. His future rests on Josh Allen becoming a real NFL QB. Like it or not, but he will always be compared to the two stars who he passed on.
C.Biscuit97 Posted October 30, 2019 Posted October 30, 2019 2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: Yup. McCoy. Terrible trade. Jerry Hughes. So bad. Stanley Cup champion and playoff champ O’Reilly. What a joke. Vezina finalist Robin Lehner. What a joke! 30 goal scorer Kane! Hilarious. we need to make better decisions like trading up for Zay; passing on Mahomes; 2 picks for KB; and trading for Jordan Matthews!
billsfan1959 Posted October 30, 2019 Posted October 30, 2019 1 minute ago, HappyDays said: This is completely ignorant of how NFL teams work. No one looks at mock drafts or online scouting reports. They are doing a year of researching. Watching film, talking to coaches, meeting people in their community. This is Madden level thinking. Save your breath. Some people just want to live in the past and be miserable...
DrDawkinstein Posted October 30, 2019 Posted October 30, 2019 Seems like a cop-out response to not getting anything done before the deadline. It's vague and passive aggressive. Which is typical for coach-speak. 6 minutes ago, TheProcess said: Someone may have already made this point, but I took the comments as not only directed toward previous Bills regimes, but also as more of a macro level comment and an indictment on the moves made by the rest of the league. People get wild and crazy with the compensation for some of these players around the league (e.g., Tunsil, Clowney, Ramsey). If that is what he meant, he should have referenced the entire league. 2
BringBackOrton Posted October 30, 2019 Posted October 30, 2019 1 minute ago, HappyDays said: This is completely ignorant of how NFL teams work. No one looks at mock drafts or online scouting reports. They are doing a year of researching. Watching film, talking to coaches, meeting people in their community. This is Madden level thinking. Right. And even teams like Carolina look at the top QB’s in the draft. To pretend like no one in Carolina looked at Watson after a down Cam Newton year is ignorant. I’m talking about the make and break career part. NOBODY would have reacted to the Bills taking Watson like the Giants taking Jones this year. Nobody. 1
billsfan1959 Posted October 30, 2019 Posted October 30, 2019 1 minute ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Yup. McCoy. Terrible trade. Jerry Hughes. So bad. Stanley Cup champion and playoff champ O’Reilly. What a joke. Vezina finalist Robin Lehner. What a joke! 30 goal scorer Kane! Hilarious. we need to make better decisions like trading up for Zay; passing on Mahomes; 2 picks for KB; and trading for Jordan Matthews! Talk about cherry picking things to support one's point.... You should be better than that. 1
C.Biscuit97 Posted October 30, 2019 Posted October 30, 2019 Just now, billsfan1959 said: Talk about cherry picking things to support one's point.... You should be better than that. He tried to laugh at Whaley and Murray. They made some awesome trades.
Blank Stare Posted October 30, 2019 Posted October 30, 2019 Just now, DrDawkinstein said: Seems like a cop-out response to not getting anything done before the deadline. It's vague and passive aggressive. Which is typical for coach-speak. If that is what he meant, he should have referenced the entire league. Oh, I agree, but when have you ever known McD to say anything about anything. His pressers are filled with coach speak and largely a waste of time. He’s perfected saying nothing.
billsfan1959 Posted October 30, 2019 Posted October 30, 2019 Just now, C.Biscuit97 said: He tried to laugh at Whaley and Murray. They made some awesome trades. They did do some good things. They also did some boneheaded things. The same with McDermott and Beane. That was my point. 1
Ethan in Cleveland Posted October 30, 2019 Posted October 30, 2019 What a stupid thing to say from a guy that started Nate Peterman and passed on Mahomes. Jerry Hughes was a great trade. KB was a bad trade. How about trades that gave up picks for a MLB that lacks instincts and a WR that couldn't catch a football? 1
C.Biscuit97 Posted October 30, 2019 Posted October 30, 2019 Just now, billsfan1959 said: They did do some good things. They also did some boneheaded things. The same with McDermott and Beane. That was my point. I still think minus the qb position (and Tyrod was serviceable), those Whaley were some of the most talented teams of the last 20 years. i think we’re in the exact same place with this team now. If Allen progresses, we’ll be awesome. If not, it will be the same old. 3 minutes ago, TheProcess said: Oh, I agree, but when have you ever known McD to say anything about anything. His pressers are filled with coach speak and largely a waste of time. He’s perfected saying nothing. Yeah, coach press conferences are a giant waste of time.
billsfan_34 Posted October 30, 2019 Posted October 30, 2019 1 hour ago, Kelly the Dog said: No burn bridges or throw anyone under the bus would be to say, "We like the guys we have. We made and received calls trying to improve our team but the prices were too high for us to make a deal." Great point
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