US Egg Posted October 30, 2019 Posted October 30, 2019 20 minutes ago, GG said: Everything about the 2017 draft screams that McD was in full control. If he didn't do his due diligence on the top 3 QB prospects, that's all on him. Not to mention his mentor, Reid, threw him a bone him then smoked him.
Bill from NYC Posted October 30, 2019 Posted October 30, 2019 2 hours ago, Kelly the Dog said: So he either bad-mouthed previous administrations, or Brandon Beane and himself, or both. Not sure that was necessary. Maybe not but he sure is correct. Whaley, Rex, Levy/Jauron, Brandon......how many horror shows should we fans be forced to endure? If this administration chooses not to toss around picks like amateurish, inept drunken sailors (ala Whaley), then more power to them. If they saw no bargains and stayed home, good for them!!!!!. I just gained a substantial amount respect for McDermott. We don't need more clowns in our organization. 1
DrDawkinstein Posted October 30, 2019 Posted October 30, 2019 30 minutes ago, HappyDays said: I'm sorry but that's absurd. QBs are scouted over the course of at least a year, typically longer. Who do you hold responsible, McDermott? It's not the head coach's job to draft a QB. Beane? He wasn't here yet. If you want to blame someone blame Pegula. You can trace that failure back to Rex Ryan getting hired. There was zero chance we were drafting this regime's hand picked franchise QB in year one. The timing was all off. This! The lack of QB drafted in 2017 lies solely on the Pegulas' shoulders. They should have fired Whaley and staff immediately following the season. Instead, they did yet another back-asswards move and hired a Head Coach, then decided they didnt like the GM, and let the Head Coach hire the GM. No way was McD going to tie his HC career, and the career of his incoming GM, to a QB scouted and graded by Whaley and Co. He happily used their info on CB (White) and LB (Milano). The WR and LT turned out "about right" for Whaley's scouting as well. Zay sucked, and Dawkins has been... ok. But no way do you use him for QB. 1 1
NoSaint Posted October 30, 2019 Posted October 30, 2019 2 hours ago, Gugny said: He didn't say anything. If he had balls, he'd have either said, "this team was set behind years by the previous GM and HC," or said, "Brandon Beane and I have already made bad decisions and we're trying to avoid making more," or both. But he said neither. His wording is cryptic and weak, if you ask me. I think you are largely right. Either own it, or assign responsibility but ambiguous negative comments aren’t my favorite 1
BringBackOrton Posted October 30, 2019 Posted October 30, 2019 Just now, DrDawkinstein said: This! The lack of QB drafted in 2017 lies solely on the Pegulas' shoulders. They should have fired Whaley and staff immediately following the season. Instead, they did yet another back-asswards move and hired a Head Coach, then decided they didnt like the GM, and let the Head Coach hire the GM. No way was McD going to tie his HC career, and the career of his incoming GM, to a QB scouted and graded by Whaley and Co. He happily used their info on CB (White) and LB (Milano). The WR and LT turned out "about right" for Whaley's scouting as well. Zay sucked, and Dawkins has been... ok. But no way do you use him for QB. Lol, I guess if Whaley thought EJ and TT were franchise, you might pick the QB he liked least. 1 1
C.Biscuit97 Posted October 30, 2019 Posted October 30, 2019 1 minute ago, Bill from NYC said: Maybe not but he sure is correct. Whaley, Rex, Levy/Jauron, Brandon......how many horror shows should we fans be forced to endure? If this administration chooses not to toss around picks like amateurish, inept drunken sailors (ala Whaley), then more power to them. If they saw no bargains and stayed home, good for them!!!!!. I just gained a substantial amount respect for McDermott. We don't need more clowns in our organization. Whaley isn’t close to as bad as you make him out to be. Compare this roster with the 2015 one. That was an awesome team. 2
Kelly the Dog Posted October 30, 2019 Posted October 30, 2019 2 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said: Maybe not but he sure is correct. Whaley, Rex, Levy/Jauron, Brandon......how many horror shows should we fans be forced to endure? If this administration chooses not to toss around picks like amateurish, inept drunken sailors (ala Whaley), then more power to them. If they saw no bargains and stayed home, good for them!!!!!. I just gained a substantial amount respect for McDermott. We don't need more clowns in our organization. You're talking about a guy who drafted and then started Nathan Freakin' Peterman twice! 1 2
billsfan1959 Posted October 30, 2019 Posted October 30, 2019 1 minute ago, C.Biscuit97 said: I still think minus the qb position (and Tyrod was serviceable), those Whaley were some of the most talented teams of the last 20 years. I think Whaley took, and continues to take a lot of unwarranted criticism. I think there were two primary issues that caused him problems. First, he was tasked with finding players for differing philosophies under coaching changes. The second has nothing to do with finding talent; however, I am convinced his lack of skills as a public speaker brought about a very unfavorable perception of him and his abilities. I agree with you, I thought Whaley was a very good talent evaluator. 2 2
BillsVet Posted October 30, 2019 Posted October 30, 2019 1 hour ago, One Buffalo said: <br /> "The process" has changed over so many times since McD (the real power at OBD) took over almost 3 years ago it's hard to make sense of this sentiment. Why does Beane go after Antonio Brown after Buffalo had made a practice of finding guys who'd buy in to McD's "process?" I'm beginning to see that McD's words at the combine 8 months ago were nothing more than rhetoric to appease though who saw a terrible offense in year 2 of "the process." He went so far as to say they needed to score 21 points per. Or, how they didn't want to be a team that grinded things out. After almost half of season 3, it sure seems like "the process" is really all about playing tough D, being a ball-control offense, and not taking risks. It's similar to what previous coaches have attempted. 3 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said: You're talking about a guy who drafted and then started Nathan Freakin' Peterman twice! And who traded down with his first pick to draft a...DB!
DrDawkinstein Posted October 30, 2019 Posted October 30, 2019 1 minute ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Whaley isn’t close to as bad as you make him out to be. Compare this roster with the 2015 one. That was an awesome team. The 2014 Bills would be 6-1 playing this year's schedule, would probably end up 13-3, and they would have MUD STOMPED the Dolphins if not the Jets, Giants, and Bengals too. 2
C.Biscuit97 Posted October 30, 2019 Posted October 30, 2019 Just now, billsfan1959 said: I think Whaley took, and continues to take a lot of unwarranted criticism. I think there were two primary issues that caused him problems. First, he was tasked with finding players for differing philosophies under coaching changes. The second has nothing to do with finding talent; however, I am convinced his lack of skills as a public speaker brought about a very unfavorable perception of him and his abilities. I agree with you, I thought Whaley was a very good talent evaluator. Excellent post and I agree with you. Beane is a much better public speaker than Whaley. I think Whaley would have been awesome with McDermott given some of the offensive talent he found. 1
The Jokeman Posted October 30, 2019 Posted October 30, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, dave mcbride said: Whaley's trades for players: Kelvin Sheppard for Jerry Hughes Kiko Alonso for Lesean McCoy A fifth and a seventh for Matt Cassel and a sixth Trade deadline trades: I'm fairly certain the number under Whaley was zero. I think you forgot a few. Whaley also traded A sixth for Mike Williams A fourth for Bryce Brown A seventh for Lerentee McCray Edited October 30, 2019 by The Jokeman
DrDawkinstein Posted October 30, 2019 Posted October 30, 2019 1 minute ago, The Jokeman said: I think you forgot a few. Whaley also traded A sixth for Mike Williams A fourth for Bryce Brown A seventh for Lerentee McCray So, super low value picks for guys who might be able to make an offensive splash? I dont see the issue there. Not like it was a 2nd for Mike Williams.
Bill from NYC Posted October 30, 2019 Posted October 30, 2019 1 minute ago, Kelly the Dog said: You're talking about a guy who drafted and then started Nathan Freakin' Peterman twice! Absolutely. Can you imagine how pissed off I was when he traded down, passed on 2 QBs, and drafted a corner? I mean really. (And btw I wanted Watson and don't claim to have wanted Mahomes) Still, he kept enough draft capital to grab a QB at #7 and grab other players that he wanted. The Bills should be in a position to draft a superb receiver no matter where they pick in 2020. Oh, and we are 5-2. Your fine articles would indicate that the Bills are finally going in the right direction. I agree!!! 1
dave mcbride Posted October 30, 2019 Posted October 30, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, The Jokeman said: I think you forgot a few. Whaley also traded A sixth for Mike Williams A fourth for Bryce Brown A seventh for Lerentee McCray Yeah, I mentioned Brown in a subsequent post. I was unaware of the other two, but now that you mention it, I recall Mike Williams. Never heard of Lerentee McCrary! Edited October 30, 2019 by dave mcbride 1
The Jokeman Posted October 30, 2019 Posted October 30, 2019 Just now, DrDawkinstein said: So, super low value picks for guys who might be able to make an offensive splash? I dont see the issue there. Not like it was a 2nd for Mike Williams. Valid yet none of them turned out to be anything but depth players, who's to say we couldn't have used those picks to unearth a good player like a Milano etc.
Happy Posted October 30, 2019 Posted October 30, 2019 2 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: I think Whaley took, and continues to take a lot of unwarranted criticism. I think there were two primary issues that caused him problems. First, he was tasked with finding players for differing philosophies under coaching changes. The second has nothing to do with finding talent; however, I am convinced his lack of skills as a public speaker brought about a very unfavorable perception of him and his abilities. I agree with you, I thought Whaley was a very good talent evaluator. Good post and it is lost on many around here. It is too bad that Whaley's lack of public speaking skills brought about an unfavorable perception because it should have been Terry Pegula talking about the Rex firing, not Whaley given how the organization hierarchy is configured. Terry can't talk in public, nor did he want to give that press statement; anyone who has ever listened to him speak will arrive at that conclusion. If somehow we could have Whaley's pro personnel talent evaluation coupled with Beane's drafting, we would be all set personnel wise. 2
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted October 30, 2019 Posted October 30, 2019 2 hours ago, dave mcbride said: PS - Bryce Brown is who you're thinking of. They did give up a 4th. He didn't work out. Rex refused to remember his name 1
billsfan1959 Posted October 30, 2019 Posted October 30, 2019 1 minute ago, BillsVet said: "The process" has changed over so many times since McD (the real power at OBD) took over almost 3 years ago it's hard to make sense of this sentiment. Why does Beane go after Antonio Brown after Buffalo had made a practice of finding guys who'd buy in to McD's "process?" I'm beginning to see that McD's words at the combine 8 months ago were nothing more than rhetoric to appease though who saw a terrible offense in year 2 of "the process." He went so far as to say they needed to score 21 points per. Or, how they didn't want to be a team that grinded things out. After almost half of season 3, it sure seems like "the process" is really all about playing tough D, being a ball-control offense, and not taking risks. It's similar to what previous coaches have attempted. None of this is even true. Beane looked into Antonio Brown (This was before all of the issues really started) and decided it wasn't worth it. I call that due diligence. Also, in case you haven't noticed, this has become a pass first offense - almost to the detriment of the running game, and Mc Dermott has taken risks when warranted. The fact that they haven't scored a lot of points is not a result of being a conservative, ball-control offense, as much as it has been because of drive killing mistakes, penalties, and turnovers.
Mc1320 Posted October 30, 2019 Posted October 30, 2019 To all the haters out there, no team makes the right decision all the time. Beane got a draft pick from Cheatin' Bill for Bodine at the end of camp and Bill cut him two weeks later. How soon we forget how completely incompetent Whaley and that fat gas bag Rex were....and Nix, and Marrone and Juron, ect. Just be thankful we don't have Dan Snyder and Bruce Allen running the show. By the way, John Gruden loves him some Peterman too..... 1 1
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