BuffaloHokie13 Posted October 28, 2019 Posted October 28, 2019 Looking at cumulative stats since 2015 (when I started tracking), Eli is in the same ballpark as Jameis, Bortles, Tannehill, Flacco, and Mariota. They're all guys you'd love to move on from, but know you could do worse.
AlCowlingsTaxiService Posted October 28, 2019 Posted October 28, 2019 On 10/28/2019 at 8:18 PM, loveorhatembillsfan4life said: Way to many hypothetical posts on this board lol We will have an answer at that time. I also read in another post it was time to fire MCD.. Expand Isn't that what fans discussing teams always is? What if they did this? What if they signed that guy? Mystifies me why some have issues with that
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted October 28, 2019 Posted October 28, 2019 On 10/28/2019 at 8:28 PM, Boatdrinks said: The Bills will have to decide on his 5th year option after year 3. Anyway, the TD to INT ratio doesn’t look good , and the completion % is too low as well. They’d probably be looking for some competition at the very least. Expand ...and when do we get to decide on the prolific OC Daboll?......
loveorhatembillsfan4life Posted October 28, 2019 Posted October 28, 2019 (edited) On 10/28/2019 at 8:47 PM, AlCowlingsTaxiService said: Isn't that what fans discussing teams always is? What if they did this? What if they signed that guy? Mystifies me why some have issues with that Expand I don't have an issue with discussing signing guys etc I find that is a reasonable topic to discuss now at this time --trades etc, making the team better . That’s relevant. I just don’t t see the point of this particular topic when it's so far down the road. Edited October 28, 2019 by loveorhatembillsfan4life
Real McClappy Posted October 28, 2019 Posted October 28, 2019 On 10/28/2019 at 8:31 PM, Bangarang said: No, I don’t want Eli Manning. Expand You don't want 2 SB wins? 1
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 28, 2019 Posted October 28, 2019 he has the same stats as Goff I’ll hang up and listen 1
Dablitzkrieg Posted October 28, 2019 Posted October 28, 2019 All I know is the gunslinger is being coached out of him and I hate it. Let him sling it. The inability to strike fast sucks. It's admirable to have such long drives, but it is hard to rely on those. Need more chunk plays and deep shots
GunnerBill Posted October 28, 2019 Posted October 28, 2019 I would exercise the 5th year option. I would not offer him a long term deal at that point.
Bangarang Posted October 28, 2019 Posted October 28, 2019 On 10/28/2019 at 9:00 PM, Real McCoy said: You don't want 2 SB wins? Expand Here is where this discussion turns stupid. First of all, you can't guarantee Allen would win us 2 SBs despite being a horrible turnover machine. Second, back in 2007 QBs were still getting massive rookie contracts so the incentive to stick with a guy you just paid $60mil to was greater than it is today. Bad QBs have won SBs before. It doesn't mean I should want to put up with a bad QB simply because some other bad QB won it all a decade ago.
rayray808 Posted October 28, 2019 Posted October 28, 2019 I read that chart in matrix language, and Josh Allen is “the one” - so I voted yes
Socal-805 Posted October 28, 2019 Posted October 28, 2019 On 10/28/2019 at 9:03 PM, Dablitzkrieg said: All I know is the gunslinger is being coached out of him and I hate it. Let him sling it. The inability to strike fast sucks. It's admirable to have such long drives, but it is hard to rely on those. Need more chunk plays and deep shots Expand Gunslinger, He cah SLING it, just can't HIT very much! He's not the guy.
Chris66 Posted October 28, 2019 Posted October 28, 2019 On 10/28/2019 at 9:03 PM, Dablitzkrieg said: All I know is the gunslinger is being coached out of him and I hate it. Let him sling it. The inability to strike fast sucks. It's admirable to have such long drives, but it is hard to rely on those. Need more chunk plays and deep shots Expand I dont think the gunslinger is being coahed out of him. I think most dc's are allowing him those small percentage deep shots. I dont think Allen is accurate enough to hit them consistently. 1
Casey D Posted October 28, 2019 Posted October 28, 2019 On 10/28/2019 at 9:04 PM, Bangarang said: Here is where this discussion turns stupid. First of all, you can't guarantee Allen would win us 2 SBs despite being a horrible turnover machine. Second, back in 2007 QBs were still getting massive rookie contracts so the incentive to stick with a guy you just paid $60mil to was greater than it is today. Bad QBs have won SBs before. It doesn't mean I should want to put up with a bad QB simply because some other bad QB won it all a decade ago. Expand No, the whole discussion is stupid, but that's just me. Guy has barely played a season.
GunnerBill Posted October 28, 2019 Posted October 28, 2019 On 10/28/2019 at 9:04 PM, Bangarang said: Here is where this discussion turns stupid. First of all, you can't guarantee Allen would win us 2 SBs despite being a horrible turnover machine. Second, back in 2007 QBs were still getting massive rookie contracts so the incentive to stick with a guy you just paid $60mil to was greater than it is today. Bad QBs have won SBs before. It doesn't mean I should want to put up with a bad QB simply because some other bad QB won it all a decade ago. Expand Eli was a good Quarterback who was also a bad Quarterback. If you said a guy was gonna have a middling career but get hot twice would you take it? Sure. You might as well take Flacco while you are at it. That should not be the standard we hold Josh to.
Augie Posted October 28, 2019 Posted October 28, 2019 The middle of year two (actually the beginning of year two based upon # of starts) is NOT the time to guess what we’d do under some hypothetical numbers conjured up for the end of year 4, IMO. I just hope we continue to see progress, and that it’s adequate to know he’s “the guy”.
prissythecat Posted October 28, 2019 Posted October 28, 2019 On 10/28/2019 at 9:00 PM, Real McCoy said: You don't want 2 SB wins? Expand you can primarily thank the DL for those wins not Eli . though i give him credit for the circus throw and catch to get help the win.
Chris66 Posted October 28, 2019 Posted October 28, 2019 On 10/28/2019 at 9:06 PM, GunnerBill said: Eli was a good Quarterback who was also a bad Quarterback. If you said a guy was gonna have a middling career but get hot twice would you take it? Sure. You might as well take Flacco while you are at it. That should not be the standard we hold Josh to. Expand Flacco went the playoffs and won a sb in his first 5 years. He just hasnt had a very productive career since.
Bangarang Posted October 28, 2019 Posted October 28, 2019 On 10/28/2019 at 9:06 PM, GunnerBill said: Eli was a good Quarterback who was also a bad Quarterback. If you said a guy was gonna have a middling career but get hot twice would you take it? Sure. You might as well take Flacco while you are at it. That should not be the standard we hold Josh to. Expand I hate these comparisons so much. On 10/28/2019 at 9:06 PM, GunnerBill said: Eli was a good Quarterback who was also a bad Quarterback. If you said a guy was gonna have a middling career but get hot twice would you take it? Sure. You might as well take Flacco while you are at it. That should not be the standard we hold Josh to. Expand I hate these comparisons so much.
GunnerBill Posted October 28, 2019 Posted October 28, 2019 On 10/28/2019 at 9:10 PM, Chris66 said: Flacco went the playoffs and won a sb in his first 5 years. He just hasnt had a very productive career since. Expand That is kind of my point. If the question is just would you take a QB who wins a SB then of course you would. Eli and Flacco at their peak were both top 10 guys though I would argue spent more of their career outside the top 10 than in it. If that is Josh's career at the end of course it is a success. But if you end up with a non top 10 guy and you are just hoping each one is the year where you strike lightening in a bottle and it all comes together then that is not a very good strategy.
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