Rocky Landing Posted October 30, 2019 Posted October 30, 2019 2 hours ago, row_33 said: Pats pack it in when the game is won, they won’t risk a thing when it’s won early, they stopped pushing after the 95 yard drive ended in the INT the last few seasons they have semi-tanked games that were possibly winnable in the 4th All about load management the last few seasons, winning the division with ease and gearing up for a SB run In what universe? The Pats* currently have 189 net points for the season, the most in the NFL by a wide margin.
row_33 Posted October 30, 2019 Posted October 30, 2019 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Rocky Landing said: In what universe? The Pats* currently have 189 net points for the season, the most in the NFL by a wide margin. oh... a STAT with ZERO context.... far better to lean on that over watching the actual games... they can't help it by winning over horrible teams i don't mind a team putting points on the board against a cupcake as long as they don't toss out cheap shots or rub it in they have to finish the game, the second string wants its cut of the glory, and you can't kneel down 3 times and punt the last half of the game and the D is stopping most everything, random TDs are occurring last year the Pats sleptwalked through most of the season, turned the D up for the playoffs and took the Chargers out quickly, then stole a game off the Chiefs (well, it WAS Andy Reid...) Edited October 30, 2019 by row_33
Rocky Landing Posted October 30, 2019 Posted October 30, 2019 1 hour ago, row_33 said: oh... a STAT with ZERO context.... far better to lean on that over watching the actual games... they can't help it by winning over horrible teams i don't mind a team putting points on the board against a cupcake as long as they don't toss out cheap shots or rub it in they have to finish the game, the second string wants its cut of the glory, and you can't kneel down 3 times and punt the last half of the game and the D is stopping most everything, random TDs are occurring last year the Pats sleptwalked through most of the season, turned the D up for the playoffs and took the Chargers out quickly, then stole a game off the Chiefs (well, it WAS Andy Reid...) Sorry, Bub. That stat provides context.
jrober38 Posted October 30, 2019 Posted October 30, 2019 21 hours ago, Stank_Nasty said: How did you get me being satisfied out of what I said? I’m not in the least. He’s got to get better. End of story. What is it with a certain few of you that think anytime a fan says they are content with how things are going FOR NOW that it means they are satisfied for the long haul. I can be happy with how things are turning out this year and realize we need more Development from the team for title aspirations to be reality... you and a couple other high horse riders think that if anyone isn’t pissing and moaning about everything going wrong they must love mediocrity. It’s absurd. Also I find it hilarious when people make a hard call on a guy 19 games in. I'm in the same boat. This is fine. The team is winning and should make the playoffs, I just haven't seen anything that says this will be a team capable of beating anyone in a playoff game and I think that mostly stems to the fact our passing game is so poor. I think Allen has mostly looked as advertised. He's a good field general who commands the huddle, makes some impressive throws and can get out of trouble with his legs, but there are glaring flaws as well, particularly with accuracy and his decision making. Usually those things don't get a whole lot better which is why I'm not overly optimistic. I think to contend for a Super Bowl right now you need an elite QB, and I'm not sure he's going to become one. Guys with his issues don't usually go onto be top tier NFL QBs. 17 hours ago, The Frankish Reich said: Sad but true. - There's plenty of examples of guys who "got it" right out of the box and then went on to become very good-to-elite QBs: Wilson, Watson, Mahomes, Ryan, Brady, Prescott, Flacco, Eli, Dalton, Carson Palmer, Big Ben, Wentz (Lamar Jackson?) ... if you add in those who carried a clipboard for a couple years or more, add in Rodgers, Garoppolo, Rivers, etc. - There's plenty of guys who started strong and seemed well on their way to franchise QB status, only to fizzle before too long. Trubisky (2nd year breakout) may fit here unless he turns it around fast. Mariota (2nd year sort of breakout) too. RG3 (but injury?). - And, of course, there's plenty of guys who struggled mightily early on and then washed out quickly. Nothing surprising there. - But the list of guys who struggled for an extended time and then emerged (3rd year as a starter or later) as very good-to-elite is a short one. Peyton Manning (Year 3 takeoff, but he was drafted 22 years ago), Matthew Stafford (3rd year breakout, but he missed almost all of Year 2) ... Help me out here, who am I missing? Bortles in 2017 looked like he might be pulling this off, but then we all know what happened. (Remember, the OP said in the last 20 years; no fair bringing up Jim Kelly or John Elway) Based purely on comparables through a year and a half, my realistic guess is that Josh Allen most resembles a Jake Locker. (Hey, I liked Locker! I wanted the Bills to grab him when the Titans moved on to Mariota). Let's hope it's a healthier Jake Locker with more time to develop before a reckless style does him in. Exactly. The guys who have become elite passers over the past 15 years almost entirely showed signs they'd be elite almost as soon as they got on the field. In their 2nd season they were almost all playing at an extremely high level. Our QB sits 28th in the NFL in QB Rating, despite playing one of the worst schedules in the league. Allen does a lot of good things that don't show up in the box score to influence his QB Rating (similar to Cam Newton in his prime who never had a great rating), but I don't think he does enough to make up for his shortfalls as a passer, particularly against good competition. Unless we want him to keep running 10+ times a game, which will inevitably lead to him getting hurt, he needs to get a hell of a lot better with his arm, throwing from the pocket.
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