Scott7975 Posted October 29, 2019 Posted October 29, 2019 (edited) To me, it's pretty simple. The Bills are better than the bad teams in the NFL. Not quite as good as the good teams in the NFL. We are in the ok area right now and have a long way to go. This is probably an 7-9 or 8-8 team that could win 10 or so games because of the schedule. I still feel like this team is heading in the right direction, it's just slow moving compared to some of the turnarounds that we have seen around the league. There are also other teams that don't turn it around at all but those are ignored because of the couple teams we see that turn it around quickly. Edited October 29, 2019 by Scott7975 1
Boatdrinks Posted October 29, 2019 Posted October 29, 2019 7 hours ago, jrober38 said: Sure, but people are acting like they think this team is good. It's not. Our offense is a major problem, with essentially every position group contributing to our inability to score points. They’re winning games vs many teams on their schedule while in the midst of a rebuild. The Bills offense is not nearly a finished product yet. The defense needs one or two players. If they were losing to “ cupcakes”, that would definitely make them a bad team. There are a lot of bad teams in the NFL, some above average teams ( Bills fall in that range) and a few very good teams. The Bills aren’t there yet, but it beats losing most of the games. 1
US Egg Posted October 29, 2019 Posted October 29, 2019 8 hours ago, Shaw66 said: Quality wins, as you point out, are the next step. Still looks like it's beyond some baby steps for McD to produce quality wins. More like Neil Armstrong giant mankind steps are needed to get those wins.
ILBillsfan Posted October 29, 2019 Posted October 29, 2019 10 hours ago, ngbills said: Seriously? The Pats and SF are destroying teams every week. They are in a different class than the Bills. Due to arrive next year? Every year its next year. While other teams are making super bowl plans we are talking about how the plan has always been next year or the year after. Jan 11 2017 Bills hire McD Jan 12 2017 Rams hire McVay Feb 6 2017 49ers hire Shanahan But yeah the Bills need more time. Every team has a goal of the super bowl but you act like the only team not is the Bills how so???? So have the 49ers made teh SB since hiring him???? McVay ok but that would be it (not to mention the missed PI that should of kept them out) and how are those rams doing this year. Way to over generalize and think that makes a val,id point. Seriously as you say ha
Rocky Landing Posted October 29, 2019 Posted October 29, 2019 We were 6 point underdogs vs. the Jets in week one, and we beat them in their stadium. This was before they lost their best players to injury, and illness, and they were being discussed as playoff contenders. We followed that with a victory vs the Giants, also in their own stadium. Both of those victories felt like statements at the time.
Big Blitz Posted October 29, 2019 Posted October 29, 2019 (edited) Does pushing Tom Brady and the Pats like we did count for anything? No? It doesn't say anything that we lost on a blocked punt and the starting QB getting hurt? If I'm supposed to panic because we didn't get style points for how we failed to dismantle Miami or the Bengals, then the opposite should be true when we look at the games we lost. If I'm supposed to be disappointed we failed to blow out a garbage team, then I guess I should be excited we were right there with the likely SB champs. This weak schedule stuff is becoming nauseating. It's a week to week league and we're all to quick yo assign "they're trash" or "they're for real." But we have to be mindful of the big picture. We aren't any these teams that are trash. We arent New England or The Saints. No other teams are. Everyone else has flaws. Just get the wins. Edited October 29, 2019 by Big Blitz
LABILLBACKER Posted October 29, 2019 Posted October 29, 2019 13 hours ago, Z-Mann said: Totally agree. They can beat bad teams, flip the coin against an "ok" team, lose against good teams. Give me any kind of a statement win, home or away. They will have a few chances later in the season (Patriots, Ravens, Cowboys), but it is difficult to see them winning those games.... 7-9 forever
Cheektowaga Chad Posted October 29, 2019 Posted October 29, 2019 12 hours ago, ngbills said: Seriously? The Pats and SF are destroying teams every week. They are in a different class than the Bills. Due to arrive next year? Every year its next year. While other teams are making super bowl plans we are talking about how the plan has always been next year or the year after. Jan 11 2017 Bills hire McD Jan 12 2017 Rams hire McVay Feb 6 2017 49ers hire Shanahan But yeah the Bills need more time. Remember where those teams were when they hired each coach? Both the Rams and 49ers were at least a year or 2 ahead in their re builds. 49ers were almost completely torn down while the Rams were heading into year 2 with a number 1 overall pick at QB The bills started the tear down with McDermott and finished the tear down just last season.
LSHMEAB Posted October 29, 2019 Posted October 29, 2019 This boils down to the quarterback position. Other than Brady(which is great), they really haven't demonstrated the ability to stop team's with quality QB's and they haven't had great QB play. I think it's really that simple. 1
Hebert19 Posted October 29, 2019 Posted October 29, 2019 Ok. In all honesty when did you think this was a top 10 team talent wise under McDermott? Talent wise this is a bottom half team this year and the 2 year before that. We have no dominate player at any position. Nor have we. So why would we have quality victories? Take this team for what it is...on the upswing of a rebuild. We dominate bad opponents in win loss column but we are over achieving from a win loss overall. When you accept that you will appreciate this team as a team and when we make playoffs you will be happier for it.
row_33 Posted October 29, 2019 Posted October 29, 2019 17 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: How about a quality win against a team with a losing record? Giants and Titans wins were solid
Thurman#1 Posted October 29, 2019 Posted October 29, 2019 18 hours ago, ngbills said: Seriously? The Pats and SF are destroying teams every week. They are in a different class than the Bills. Due to arrive next year? Every year its next year. While other teams are making super bowl plans we are talking about how the plan has always been next year or the year after. Jan 11 2017 Bills hire McD Jan 12 2017 Rams hire McVay Feb 6 2017 49ers hire Shanahan But yeah the Bills need more time. Yeah, they probably do. The Bills did a complete rebuild. That takes time, painful time. The lucky rebuilds get genuinely competitive in their third year but that's very few, and almost always a team that gets it's franchise QB in year one. Reloads like the one in LA are supposed to come fairly quick. And with how LA is playing now, it's worth wondering whether they are going to be a good team. SF was set up beautifully by following on from Kelly's 2-14 season. And it's worth throwing out there that SF might not look as good if they hadn't managed to luck into Garoppolo that cheap and easy. I get that it's frustrating to hear that the Bills might need more time. Doesn't mean it's not correct, though. They really might. And they might even get a lot better next year, though nothing in the future is a given. 1
Thurman#1 Posted October 29, 2019 Posted October 29, 2019 7 hours ago, I am the egg man said: Still looks like it's beyond some baby steps for McD to produce quality wins. More like Neil Armstrong giant mankind steps are needed to get those wins. It is indeed tough for a team with a young offense and a young QB like ours to get quality wins ... most particularly when we play very very few quality teams. Hard to get quality wins playing a schedule mostly full of dogs. Teams that rebuild generally suck for a while. This year would be the first year you'd hope they start to pick up a really great win or two and we don't have a schedule that seems to give us a lot of chances. Outside the Pats (and who has picked up any signature wins against them this year?) how many apparent playoff teams are on the schedule? One? Three if the Eagles and Cowboys make it?
GunnerBill Posted October 29, 2019 Posted October 29, 2019 18 hours ago, blacklabel said: One of these "statement" wins will come. What's interesting is the two remaining undefeated teams have also had powderpuff schedules and I don't hear anyone talking about that. And remember, the Bills weren't due to "arrive" until next year. They've had some success, perhaps unexpected for this season, but that type of stuff can only build confidence and help propel them to where they wanna go. Expectations skyrocket after a 5-1 start and then a loss happens and everyone forgets how young this team is and how much turnover they've had on the offensive side of the ball. They're still discovering their identity. I am sorry I don't buy this "they were supposed to arrive next year". In the NFL years are not all created equal. Schedules change, the ability of your immediate competition changes. For example, I don't expect the Dolphins to be a JUCO team for ever. You have to take your opportunity when it comes. Still even now there are only 4 games on our whole schedule against teams with winning records. NE x2, BAL, DAL. Anything short of 9 wins this year is a failure. Frankly under 10 would disappoint me. This year is not a free swing under any circumstances. 9 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said: It is indeed tough for a team with a young offense and a young QB like ours to get quality wins ... most particularly when we play very very few quality teams. Hard to get quality wins playing a schedule mostly full of dogs. Teams that rebuild generally suck for a while. This year would be the first year you'd hope they start to pick up a really great win or two and we don't have a schedule that seems to give us a lot of chances. Outside the Pats (and who has picked up any signature wins against them this year?) how many apparent playoff teams are on the schedule? One? Three if the Eagles and Cowboys make it? Baltimore. One of Dallas and Philly (surprised if both do). The other one that still has a chance because they are basically a slightly less good version of the Bills is Tennessee. But their division is tougher. 1
uticaclub Posted October 29, 2019 Posted October 29, 2019 17 hours ago, Mark80 said: Yeah, and the best QB of all time didn't do crap. What's your point? He won a game he never trailed in. Pats weren’t going to show anything against they could beat without trying. 15 hours ago, jkeerie said: I agree with the Pats and SF being the apparent two best teams in the league with both being undefeated. With respect to the Rams...they had so much talent on that team when McVay took over. It's like the current Browns. All they needed was a decent head coach. The Bills had a huge hole to climb out of. Relatively little talent. Cap hell. Horrid front office. No QB. They surprised us all with making the playoffs in 2017 where McD did so much with so little talent. It doesn't matter that they needed help getting into the playoffs. The fact is they did, and the teams that should have been there, lost the games that would have put them in. The Bills won theirs. Yesterday's game, no argument, was awful. Perhaps it's indicative that this team isn't good at all and it's been a facade, or it was just a bad game. I'm not willing to blow things up and declare McD an abject failure as a result. There are elements of this team and it's coaching decisions that I'd like to see improved. I'm willing to give them time. Bills had talent when McDermott came, he just traded it away 1
aristocrat Posted October 29, 2019 Posted October 29, 2019 we keep waiting for this team to take that step and get that statement win where you go man they could make some noise. instead they seem to beat themselves week in and week out. bad turnovers, penalties etc. the offense shows flashes of being able to put up numbers but they just aren't consistent and it's frustrating as to why. you hear john brown talk about how he ran the wrong route on that play where darby broke up the pass and i wonder how much more of that is there?
Mark80 Posted October 29, 2019 Posted October 29, 2019 1 hour ago, uticaclub said: He won a game he never trailed in. Pats weren’t going to show anything against they could beat without trying. Bills had talent when McDermott came, he just traded it away Yeah, because it is the Pats M.O. to just barely win games on purpose and not try to blow people out. Yeah...OK buddy.
uticaclub Posted October 29, 2019 Posted October 29, 2019 (edited) 39 minutes ago, Mark80 said: Yeah, because it is the Pats M.O. to just barely win games on purpose and not try to blow people out. Yeah...OK buddy. As soon as Brady threw that pick to Hyde, they played ultra conservative and dared us to make plays to beat them. If they score on that drive to go up 22-0, the route would have been on. Our only chance to beat them was to make plays on defense and they took that opportunity away. Edited October 29, 2019 by uticaclub
Mark80 Posted October 29, 2019 Posted October 29, 2019 Just now, uticaclub said: As soon as Brady threw that pick to Hyde. They played ultra conservative and dared us to make plays to beat them. If they score on that drive to go up 22-0, the route would have been on Cool. So it was their plan to keep the game within one score where any random big play could lose the game for them? Sounds just like a Belichick / Brady philosophy. Again, yeah, OK buddy. 1
uticaclub Posted October 29, 2019 Posted October 29, 2019 12 minutes ago, Mark80 said: Cool. So it was their plan to keep the game within one score where any random big play could lose the game for them? Sounds just like a Belichick / Brady philosophy. Again, yeah, OK buddy. How many big plays have we had this season pal?
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