Josh Allen - week EIGHT report card

[Jrb1979]

4 minutes ago, zow2 said:

I think it's pretty obvious with regards to Josh.  The coaching staff saw a bit of an out-of-control Ferrari driving around last season and it was risky, so they put the restrictor plates on for 2019.  They coached Josh to stop running around at every breakdown, and hang there in the pocket to scan the field. They will call some designed runs as to not completely shut down the athlete.. but they've told him to stop scrambling so much (which i think he is awesome at doing).

 

In my opinion, they've gone too far the opposite direction.  There has to be a happy medium.  If JA was a really accurate QB from the pocket maybe it would work.  But he's not, and he's not great yet at recognizing defenses...he's taking too long to make a decision.  The coaches have him so terrified of making a mistake (kinda like Marrone did to EJ Manuel) that he's paralyzed to make a play or try to fit it in a tight window.

 

Last week the Bills had 7 drives that totaled 21 yards.   It's too hard to be consistent with 10 play scoring drives..  too many negatives can happen out of the QB's control (penalties, drops, turnovers, bad snaps, etc..).

 

Basically the coaches have asked him to be an 8-10 play drive manager, or it's 3 and out.    Time to cut him loose and let him be Josh Allen, the exciting QB.

Yeah let him loose and I think the results aren't going to much better. I don't think Allen will ever be a great pocket passer or great at reading defense. He plays his best when he runs around. The thing that scares me about that is one of these times he will be running and get destroyed. Its happened once against the Pats it will happen again. When guys get a chance for a hit on a QB they will take. Bills fans should be happy its not the Rockpile days, he would have been lot up a long time ago. 

[Royale with Cheese]

Just now, Hebert19 said:

300 yards will never be the plan for this coach and this team.  If it happens it's by accident. We like to control the ball and the ideal game is 150 on the ground and 250 in the air.  32+ min in top.

 

I don't think we draft someone at #7, with his big arm and playmaking ability to control the game.  At 250 a game, that's a 4,000 yard season which is in the top 10.

 

Allen is currently at 213 a game which is a slight improvement over Tyrod...the QB we moved on from because we couldn't move the ball in the air very well.

 

 

[zow2]

2 minutes ago, Hebert19 said:

300 yards will never be the plan for this coach and this team.  If it happens it's by accident. We like to control the ball and the ideal game is 150 on the ground and 250 in the air.  32+ min in top.

 

I think that passing narrative works for a team/QB that has never done it.  They may NEED to pass a bunch vs. Washington.  They certainly needed to vs. Philly but the weather was never going to allow that.

 

But they're 5-2 so if they keep winning with the run first /dink & dunk recipe I'm fine with that.

[Jrb1979]

5 minutes ago, Hebert19 said:

300 yards will never be the plan for this coach and this team.  If it happens it's by accident. We like to control the ball and the ideal game is 150 on the ground and 250 in the air.  32+ min in top.

Good luck winning a lot of games in this league playing that way. Your offense has to be able to score in bunches sometimes and I have my doubts Allen or the offense will ever be able to do it. 

[Hebert19]

1 minute ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

I don't think we draft someone at #7, with his big arm and playmaking ability to control the game.  At 250 a game, that's a 4,000 yard season which is in the top 10.

 

Allen is currently at 213 a game which is a slight improvement over Tyrod...the QB we moved on from because we couldn't move the ball in the air very well.

 

 

Well we play in buffalo.  And wind rain snow etc are inevitable.  So having a guy with a big arm is needed but having a running game and a QB that is an athlete is also a must. 

[Royale with Cheese]

5 minutes ago, Hebert19 said:

Well we play in buffalo.  And wind rain snow etc are inevitable.  So having a guy with a big arm is needed but having a running game and a QB that is an athlete is also a must. 

 

I'm not even sure if we play on average, 1 snow game a year.  Same with rain.  

1 game a year shouldn't affect 15 other games.  We aren't moving the ball in the air in perfect 70 degree weather.

[dakrider]

21 minutes ago, zow2 said:

I think it's pretty obvious with regards to Josh.  The coaching staff saw a bit of an out-of-control Ferrari driving around last season and it was risky, so they put the restrictor plates on for 2019.  They coached Josh to stop running around at every breakdown, and hang there in the pocket to scan the field. They will call some designed runs as to not completely shut down the athlete.. but they've told him to stop scrambling so much (which i think he is awesome at doing).

 

In my opinion, they've gone too far the opposite direction.  There has to be a happy medium.  If JA was a really accurate QB from the pocket maybe it would work.  But he's not, and he's not great yet at recognizing defenses...he's taking too long to make a decision.  The coaches have him so terrified of making a mistake (kinda like Marrone did to EJ Manuel) that he's paralyzed to make a play or try to fit it in a tight window.

 

Last week the Bills had 7 drives that totaled 21 yards.   It's too hard to be consistent with 10 play scoring drives..  too many negatives can happen out of the QB's control (penalties, drops, turnovers, bad snaps, etc..).

 

Basically the coaches have asked him to be an 8-10 play drive manager, or it's 3 and out.    Time to cut him loose and let him be Josh Allen, the exciting QB.

Bills rely on the defense to much, would rather punt than take a risk and then put the pressure back on the defense to get a stop.    That will work against the poorer teams but their going to have to open it up more on offense.  Can't expect to win every game 17-13

[Bobby Hooks]

I might be in the minority but i don't see this game being on Allen at all. The only time we did anything on offense is when he ran out of his head trying not to be killed. 

I'll be the first to blame the QB when he is at fault but this one was on the o-line, and the run D. 

 

I honestly believe Allen's struggle are stemming from misuse. 

 

I think we need to accept who he is and let him play. He's at his best when the offense is moving fast, he's in the zone (out of his head), and he can be creative. Daboll's overthinking it. Dial up some pass plays and if it's not open let Allen do Allen things. He's 10x better when he's running off his competitiveness and fire. 

 

Will it come with some hiccups? Of course. Will he turn the ball over, of course. But i think it'll come with loads of fun and td's too. 

 

You picked him, now let him do his thing.

 

 

 

Edited October 30, 2019 by Bobby Hooks

[Big Gun]

I get a chuckle out of the people who are done with Allen and proclaim he's not the answer after 18 starts yet some of these same people still make excuses for 3rd year McDermott and want to give him more time. 

[reddogblitz]

On 10/28/2019 at 5:34 AM, BillsBlue said:

Trust me the weather was terrible.

 

I was at the game. The weather was terrible for the Eagles too yet they managed to score 31 points.

 

I also remember being told many times that we needed Allen because he has a strong arm which is needed for strong swirling Ralph winds.  Bouncing passes into RBs and underthrowing a wide open WR with the wind at his back is concerning.

 

And he seriously needs to shake the fumblitis.

 

Good news is there is another game Sunday.

 

Go BILLS !!!!

[billsfan_34]

On 10/28/2019 at 8:32 AM, rayray808 said:

 

I turned to the guy next to me and we both agreed that Daboll should rip that play out of the playbook already, it has yet to yield good results

Dabs thinks he is back in Alabama- that play is seen it college over and over- keep it there.

[SoTier]

On 10/28/2019 at 9:57 AM, zow2 said:

How many 200 yard, 2 TD games do we get to watch before we see our franchise QB throw a 300 yard, 3 TD game?!?   When can we have an offense that can bail out the defense?  You see a guy come off the couch in Atlanta and throw 450... you see Bridgewater who hadn't played in a couple years throw for 350 and 4 TD's..  you have Daniel Jones tossing multiple 300 yd games already.. Minshew, etc..

 

Not saying Josh should have thrown for 300 and 3 TDs  in those weather conditions yesterday, but c'mon.  Stop with the excuses.  Time to grow up.  After the Singletary TD, there was ample opportunity to get chunk passing yards on screen plays and they still couldn't do it.  

 

I don't care as much about the designed run fumble yesterday,  I care more that when Allen stands in the pocket and scans the field, a lot of bad things happen.  That's very concerning.

 

The lack of 300 games isn't on Allen as much as it's on the coaching staff and the front office.  Except for Allen, most of the resources have gone to the defense, and the crows are coming home to roost.   If you want a good offense, you have to have good/great skill players to execute it.  You have to have imaginative play design.  You have to have a philosophy that expects a TD on every drive.   Most of the players around Allen aren't good enough.  The offensive coaching isn't good enough.  The philosophy of playing offense not to lose isn't good enough.  How much better would Allen be if he could depend upon Robert Woods, Marquise Goodwin, and Sammy Watkins to get open and catch anything he threw in their vicinity?

 

TBH, the Bills offense looks much like it has in the past under previous regimes -- just not good enough.

 

 

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

4 minutes ago, SoTier said:

 

The lack of 300 games isn't on Allen as much as it's on the coaching staff and the front office.  Except for Allen, most of the resources have gone to the defense, and the crows are coming home to roost.   If you want a good offense, you have to have good/great skill players to execute it.  You have to have imaginative play design.  You have to have a philosophy that expects a TD on every drive.   Most of the players around Allen aren't good enough.  The offensive coaching isn't good enough.  The philosophy of playing offense not to lose isn't good enough.  How much better would Allen be if he could depend upon Robert Woods, Marquise Goodwin, and Sammy Watkins to get open and catch anything he threw in their vicinity?

 

TBH, the Bills offense looks much like it has in the past under previous regimes -- just not good enough.

 

 

Good post!

3 hours ago, Bobby Hooks said:

I might be in the minority but i don't see this game being on Allen at all. The only time we did anything on offense is when he ran out of his head trying not to be killed. 

I'll be the first to blame the QB when he is at fault but this one was on the o-line, and the run D. 

 

I honestly believe Allen's struggle are stemming from misuse. 

 

I think we need to accept who he is and let him play. He's at his best when the offense is moving fast, he's in the zone (out of his head), and he can be creative. Daboll's overthinking it. Dial up some pass plays and if it's not open let Allen do Allen things. He's 10x better when he's running off his competitiveness and fire. 

 

Will it come with some hiccups? Of course. Will he turn the ball over, of course. But i think it'll come with loads of fun and td's too. 

 

You picked him, now let him do his thing.

 

 

 

I can't stand how slow we move on offense, I feel like we are always protecting the defense. McD lets keep the pace slow and limit possessions.

Edited October 30, 2019 by D. L. Hot-Flamethrower

[Jrb1979]

1 minute ago, SoTier said:

 

The lack of 300 games isn't on Allen as much as it's on the coaching staff and the front office.  Except for Allen, most of the resources have gone to the defense, and the crows are coming home to roost.   If you want a good offense, you have to have good/great skill players to execute it.  You have to have imaginative play design.  You have to have a philosophy that expects a TD on every drive.   Most of the players around Allen aren't good enough.  The offensive coaching isn't good enough.  The philosophy of playing offense not to lose isn't good enough.  How much better would Allen be if he could depend upon Robert Woods, Marquise Goodwin, and Sammy Watkins to get open and catch anything he threw in their vicinity?

 

TBH, the Bills offense looks much like it has in the past under previous regimes -- just not good enough.

 

 

A good to great QB will make the offense better regardless of the talent around him. The Bills best bet is to let Allen be Allen and hope for the best. The best offenses in this league are able to score in bunches. Something the Bills haven't been able to do in a long time. Part of me thinks it will never happen cause the coach likes a more conservative approach. 

[reddogblitz]

3 minutes ago, SoTier said:

 

The lack of 300 games isn't on Allen as much as it's on the coaching staff and the front office.  Except for Allen, most of the resources have gone to the defense, and the crows are coming home to roost.   If you want a good offense, you have to have good/great skill players to execute it.  You have to have imaginative play design.  You have to have a philosophy that expects a TD on every drive.   Most of the players around Allen aren't good enough.  The offensive coaching isn't good enough.  The philosophy of playing offense not to lose isn't good enough.  How much better would Allen be if he could depend upon Robert Woods, Marquise Goodwin, and Sammy Watkins to get open and catch anything he threw in their vicinity?

 

TBH, the Bills offense looks much like it has in the past under previous regimes -- just not good enough.

 

 

 

Reminds me of the  Coach Moron era teams.  Especially 2014.

[Jrb1979]

4 minutes ago, D. L. Hot-Flamethrower said:

Good post!

I can't stand how slow we move on offense, I feel like we are always protecting the defense. McD lets keep the pace slow and limit possessions.

I don't see that ever changing til McD gets rid of his Rockpile days philosophy and joins the modern NFL

[DCofNC]

On 10/28/2019 at 9:57 AM, zow2 said:

How many 200 yard, 2 TD games do we get to watch before we see our franchise QB throw a 300 yard, 3 TD game?!?   When can we have an offense that can bail out the defense?  You see a guy come off the couch in Atlanta and throw 450... you see Bridgewater who hadn't played in a couple years throw for 350 and 4 TD's..  you have Daniel Jones tossing multiple 300 yd games already.. Minshew, etc..

 

Not saying Josh should have thrown for 300 and 3 TDs  in those weather conditions yesterday, but c'mon.  Stop with the excuses.  Time to grow up.  After the Singletary TD, there was ample opportunity to get chunk passing yards on screen plays and they still couldn't do it.  

 

I don't care as much about the designed run fumble yesterday,  I care more that when Allen stands in the pocket and scans the field, a lot of bad things happen.  That's very concerning.

Could we at least have the 200 yard part?   He's a bad passer in this league, nobody wants to hear it, but the facts are mounting to the point of undeniable.  In virtually every game he has missed easy throws that would have put him over 300 yards and more importantly lead to scores so the need for these crazy comebacks against bottom feeders weren't needed. 

[DCofNC]

1 hour ago, SoTier said:

 

The lack of 300 games isn't on Allen as much as it's on the coaching staff and the front office.  Except for Allen, most of the resources have gone to the defense, and the crows are coming home to roost.   If you want a good offense, you have to have good/great skill players to execute it.  You have to have imaginative play design.  You have to have a philosophy that expects a TD on every drive.   Most of the players around Allen aren't good enough.  The offensive coaching isn't good enough.  The philosophy of playing offense not to lose isn't good enough.  How much better would Allen be if he could depend upon Robert Woods, Marquise Goodwin, and Sammy Watkins to get open and catch anything he threw in their vicinity?

 

TBH, the Bills offense looks much like it has in the past under previous regimes -- just not good enough.

 

 

You have a solid point, but I still contend this is more philosophy than personnel, both Beasley and Smoke can be 1000 yard guys, you have competent TEs and a line that's about average.  If Daniel Jones can drop 300 yards with FAR less, as a rookie, there is no excuse.  I never cared fir the Daboll hire in the first place and now we look at it and ask, is he a genius handicapped by Allen or is Allen being put in a box by this scheme?  Truthfully, I think Allen could be the most infuriating guy on the planet if they just let him play.  I could see him throwing for 400 yards and running for another 100 one game and barely able to get out of his own way on others, ya know, much like college.  Now we get nothing but mediocre.  That's coaching and thats execution.  I think Allen is better than the scheme makes him look.  I feel he has taken a major step backwards this year.  If you notice, he generally plays well in the hurry-up when his brain gets out of the way and he just plays ball, but they won't let it happen.

[section122]

On 10/28/2019 at 11:38 AM, HappyDays said:

 

That was entirely on Foster. He sped up instead of adjusting to the ball. This is a problem he's had going back to last year. A decent WR catches that uncontested. Especially in wind conditions like that you have to track the ball better.

 

Thank you!  I watched it a couple of times because I thought that was what I saw on the first watch.  He sped up at the end and that led to the ball being under thrown.  Allen didn't look good to me on Sunday but that one was on Foster imo.

[808]

For all the talk about we drafted josh cause of his arm cause he could play in buffalo weather it hasnt really worked. Now we make an excuse that the weather was bad for him. 
 

also i think he and ej have something in common and it seems they have “slow eyes” he has a stronger arm and gets away with winging things in late. But it seems very similar to ej. And i dont see many saying it that way.