GoBills808 Posted October 26, 2019 Posted October 26, 2019 Just now, RaoulDuke79 said: Actions come with tangible consequences. You see enough fights, you start realizing there's no outcome worth the hassle.
Augie Posted October 26, 2019 Posted October 26, 2019 Just now, GoBills808 said: You see enough fights, you start realizing there's no outcome worth the hassle. Even if you win, you lose.
RaoulDuke79 Posted October 26, 2019 Posted October 26, 2019 6 minutes ago, Augie said: Absolutely not. Nor would she expect me to. She’s sitting right next to me now and says she’d be embarrassed if I acted that stupidly. Yes, he said words, and your consequences could be jail. Sounds like a bad trade-off, even if you are violently inclined. With age comes wisdom I suppose. Good for you guys. I suppose we can walk our own paths.
That's No Moon Posted October 26, 2019 Posted October 26, 2019 I haven't been in an actual fist throwing fight since high school (and even that was only once) but if you are getting into fights at all much past 25 chances are you're either an arsehole or someone who can't handle their booze. 2
RaoulDuke79 Posted October 26, 2019 Posted October 26, 2019 4 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: You see enough fights, you start realizing there's no outcome worth the hassle. I guess.....the meek shall inherit the earth as they say. 4 minutes ago, Augie said: Even if you win, you lose. As the Eric Church song goes..... nobody wins in a fight
Augie Posted October 26, 2019 Posted October 26, 2019 2 minutes ago, RaoulDuke79 said: With age comes wisdom I suppose. Good for you guys. I suppose we can walk our own paths. It’s just not my style. Besides, you never know which nut job has a knife or a gun. I’m not even going berserk in Atlanta traffic. There be CRAZY out there! 1
GoBills808 Posted October 27, 2019 Posted October 27, 2019 Just now, Augie said: Even if you win, you lose. Three examples come to mind- friend of mine got into a fight outside a Hard Rock Cafe. Punched the guy in his face, slipped on the sidewalk, fell backwards and hit his head on the curb. Suffered a brain hemorrhage and fell into a coma for 2 weeks. This guy was a trained MMA type guy, very comfortable in a fight. Second buddy in college, big strong dude, hit a fellow at a bar in the mouth. Knocked him out cold and ended up with a piece of the guy's tooth buried in his knuckles. Got infected, had to have multiple surgeries, and ended up with a choice between paying off the hospital bill or the civil suit the other guy filed. Third wasn't a friend, but a friend of a friend...drunk at a party and got into an altercation with another guy over something not-very-important. Bad guy got into his face, good guy threw a punch, bad guy pulled out a pistol and ended up shooting someone standing next to them in the leg. Fistfights just don't end like you see in the movies or whatever, in my experience. Always way more trouble and mess than they're worth. 6 minutes ago, RaoulDuke79 said: I guess.....the meek shall inherit the earth as they say. Easy to be a tough guy until you're on the hook for $150k worth of medical bills. 1
RaoulDuke79 Posted October 27, 2019 Posted October 27, 2019 10 minutes ago, Augie said: It’s just not my style. Besides, you never know which nut job has a knife or a gun. I’m not even going berserk in Atlanta traffic. There be CRAZY out there! It is a mess out there for sure and you have to choose your battles, but I can't see a scenario where I'm gonna sit idly by if someone intentionally disrespects my kids or wife. I'm certainly not coming out swinging at the drop of a hat., but I'm not gonna brush it off either.....these are all hypothetical scenarios, so who knows.
Augie Posted October 27, 2019 Posted October 27, 2019 2 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: Three examples come to mind- friend of mine got into a fight outside a Hard Rock Cafe. Punched the guy in his face, slipped on the sidewalk, fell backwards and hit his head on the curb. Suffered a brain hemorrhage and fell into a coma for 2 weeks. This guy was a trained MMA type guy, very comfortable in a fight. Second buddy in college, big strong dude, hit a fellow at a bar in the mouth. Knocked him out cold and ended up with a piece of the guy's tooth buried in his knuckles. Got infected, had to have multiple surgeries, and ended up with a choice between paying off the hospital bill or the civil suit the other guy filed. Third wasn't a friend, but a friend of a friend...drunk at a party and got into an altercation with another guy over something not-very-important. Bad guy got into his face, good guy threw a punch, bad guy pulled out a pistol and ended up shooting someone standing next to them in the leg. Fistfights just don't end like you see in the movies or whatever, in my experience. Always way more trouble and mess than they're worth. It has been my policy since early in high school to just leave situations where this kind of behavior was likely to exist. Don’t get me wrong, I was always out, and often doing things I shouldn’t have been doing, but was always alert enough to see when trouble was brewing and find a new environment pronto. Oh, and words are NEVER justification to get physical. They’re just words.
GoBills808 Posted October 27, 2019 Posted October 27, 2019 4 minutes ago, Augie said: It has been my policy since early in high school to just leave situations where this kind of behavior was likely to exist. Don’t get me wrong, I was always out, and often doing things I shouldn’t have been doing, but was always alert enough to see when trouble was brewing and find a new environment pronto. Oh, and words are NEVER justification to get physical. They’re just words. Self defense is legitimate, but outside that I'm not getting involved...I mean I work with my hands, I ain't breaking my tools on some idiot's face to risk my livelihood. Bad expenditure of time and energy. And often way too expensive. 1
RaoulDuke79 Posted October 27, 2019 Posted October 27, 2019 6 minutes ago, Augie said: It has been my policy since early in high school to just leave situations where this kind of behavior was likely to exist. Don’t get me wrong, I was always out, and often doing things I shouldn’t have been doing, but was always alert enough to see when trouble was brewing and find a new environment pronto. Oh, and words are NEVER justification to get physical. They’re just words. Indeed.....now you just sue and and arrest people for them. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.courant.com/opinion/editorials/hc-ed-uconn-racism-moment-to-teach-1024-20191024-cwqje3v4wzg2pkk3rm66dzzf3i-story.html%3foutputType=amp
Augie Posted October 27, 2019 Posted October 27, 2019 8 minutes ago, RaoulDuke79 said: It is a mess out there for sure and you have to choose your battles, but I can't see a scenario where I'm gonna sit idly by if someone intentionally disrespects my kids or wife. I'm certainly not coming out swinging at the drop of a hat., but I'm not gonna brush it off either.....these are all hypothetical scenarios, so who knows. I walk away from words. That is their problem. They need to grow up. Words are....just words. If I ever have to physically protect, I’ll call the cops and then do my best. But the best plan is to see it coming, and go somewhere else. Agreed, who knows what we might be presented with in life.
Johnny Hammersticks Posted October 27, 2019 Author Posted October 27, 2019 Good responses. The boob squeezer guy was in his 30’s-40’s according to the story. I’m not a tough guy by any means, but I have enough experience that I can handle myself if the fists start flying. I would never initiate a physical altercation with anyone. Probably one of the most mellow guys you’d ever meet. I guess the question is about defending the honor of your wife...the mother of your children. I remember a few years before my grandfather passed he was pissed because he had to wear a cast on his right arm for a couple months. I remember him saying to my father “What if I take Francie (my grandmother) out to dinner and some guy gets fresh with her?” He was sincerely afraid that he wouldn’t be able to stand up for her even though he was in his late 70’s. I’m pretty sure I would have to punch a man who essentially sexually assaulted my wife right in front of me. I don’t think there is any other option. Same thing if some man groped my daughter. Non-negotiable. 2
RaoulDuke79 Posted October 27, 2019 Posted October 27, 2019 It's been interesting ...but I'm done debating about fighting. 6am wakeup call to drive back home to get to my kids soccer game after a delightful Hurricanes win. Cheers fellas. Go Bills. 1
EmotionallyUnstable Posted October 27, 2019 Posted October 27, 2019 My dad will kick your dad's ass 1
Augie Posted October 27, 2019 Posted October 27, 2019 11 minutes ago, Johnny Hammersticks said: Good responses. The boob squeezer guy was in his 30’s-40’s according to the story. I’m not a tough guy by any means, but I have enough experience that I can handle myself if the fists start flying. I would never initiate a physical altercation with anyone. Probably one of the most mellow guys you’d ever meet. I guess the question is about defending the honor of your wife...the mother of your children. I remember a few years before my grandfather passed he was pissed because he had to wear a cast on his right arm for a couple months. I remember him saying to my father “What if I take Francie (my grandmother) out to dinner and some guy gets fresh with her?” He was sincerely afraid that he wouldn’t be able to stand up for her even though he was in his late 70’s. I’m pretty sure I would have to punch a man who essentially sexually assaulted my wife right in front of me. I don’t think there is any other option. Same thing if some man groped my daughter. Non-negotiable. If I’m right on the spot I think I’d shove but not punch. I’d also call the police. I never had a daughter, but I’d learn a lot about what it takes to be labeled a sex offender, or whatever other recourse might be available. But I hope I’d try to do it within the law. My wife beside me agrees.
DC Tom Posted October 27, 2019 Posted October 27, 2019 3 hours ago, Johnny Hammersticks said: Was carpooling with another hockey Dad friend on the way to Montpelier today, and he was telling me how he was up at a comedy show on the mountain last weekend and some drunk idiot literally squoze his wife’s boob!! I guess they were on the way out to the car after the show and this dude (who was obnoxiously hammered all night I guess) just gave it a honk ? This made me think though. I think I would HAVE to fight that guy if it was my wife. Right?! Even if he was bigger than me, I’d have to at least make an effort. *****’s crazy... I’m 40 btw Discuss.... Depends on the provocation, but in the situation you describe, I would have torn the guy apart. "Getting in to a fight" and "protecting my wife" are not the same thing. 1
Johnny Hammersticks Posted October 27, 2019 Author Posted October 27, 2019 (edited) Just thought of a situation I witnessed a long time ago. I went to a Syracuse vs Auburn football game at the Carrier Dome. Auburn had a huge following, and I think they were coming into the game ranked in the top 10. Anyway, Syracuse upset them and beat them handily. We were walking out after the game, and this Auburn fan (young, huge dude) ran by us screaming “F Syracuse!!” “I can’t wait to get out of this scumbag city with all these low life people!!” Something to that effect. This older couple (40’s) was walking in front of us, and the wife yelled to the guy “go home!” This dude, who must have been 6’4” 235, stopped in his tracks, walked up to the couple, and booted the woman right in her lady parts. She dropped like a ton of bricks screaming and crying, the husband just stood there in shock, and the Auburn fan scampered away. I will never forget that. Edited October 27, 2019 by Johnny Hammersticks
Augie Posted October 27, 2019 Posted October 27, 2019 6 minutes ago, Johnny Hammersticks said: Just thought of a situation I witnessed a long time ago. I went to a Syracuse vs Auburn football game at the Carrier Dome. Auburn had a huge following, and I think they were coming into the game ranked in the top 10. Anyway, Syracuse upset them and beat them handily. We were walking out after the game, and this Auburn fan (young, huge dude) ran by us screaming “F Syracuse!!” “I can’t wait to get out of this scumbag city with all these low life people!!” Something to that effect. This older couple (40’s) was walking in front of us, and the wife yelled to the guy “go home!” This dude, who must have been 6’4” 235, stopped in his tracks, walked up to the couple, and booted the woman right in her lady parts. She dropped like a ton of bricks screaming and crying, the husband just stood there in shock, and the Auburn fan scampered away. I will never forget that. In THAT case, I’m doing my best and hanging on for dear life until the cops get ahold of him. Probably before cell phones, so it might take some extra effort. I’d like to think I’d get some help. That kind of dirtbaggery would stick with you.
row_33 Posted October 27, 2019 Posted October 27, 2019 2 hours ago, GunnerBill said: No. Of course not. I would explain to him how much he has embarrassed himself rather than anyone else. Only works when the obvious favourite in a fight takes the high road
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