TheyCallMeAndy Posted October 24, 2019 Posted October 24, 2019 (edited) If fans quit going and watching, teams would quit tanking. Edited October 24, 2019 by TheyCallMeAndy
Buffalo Dude Posted October 24, 2019 Posted October 24, 2019 1 minute ago, MAJBobby said: had nothing to do with Manning missing entire season did it? how many first overall QBs have won a SB recently. football isn’t the NHL or NBA tanking DOESNT fix teams immediately Having a top QB fixes a lot. And the best way to get one is through the draft. Luck was the best QB prospect to come out in 10 years. Rewarding the Colts, who had Peyton Manning, for ONE bad year, with THAT QB seems unfair. The 3 year avg is much better
WhoTom Posted October 24, 2019 Posted October 24, 2019 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Buffalo Dude said: Take the average of the last 3 year’s records. Rewards teams that have been really bad. And it stops teams like the Colts who were only bad for the year Luck came out. How'd that work out for them in the long run? Again, there's an inherent incentive not to tank: it rarely works. Edited October 24, 2019 by WhoTom
MAJBobby Posted October 24, 2019 Posted October 24, 2019 2 minutes ago, Buffalo Dude said: Having a top QB fixes a lot. And the best way to get one is through the draft. Luck was the best QB prospect to come out in 10 years. Rewarding the Colts, who had Peyton Manning, for ONE bad year, with THAT QB seems unfair. The 3 year avg is much better ok so tell me how many rings have all those 1st overall pick QBs won since 1995
Chandemonium Posted October 24, 2019 Posted October 24, 2019 It’s an interesting idea, but too reminiscent of slave auctions for today’s hyper PC, SJW dominated cultural-political climate to have a shot at being implemented IMO. 2 1 1
Ethan in Cleveland Posted October 24, 2019 Posted October 24, 2019 Im fine with a lottery for the bottom 10 or so. I don't think they are tanking in the terms of trying to get #1 pick. They are just rebuilding by trading assets to get future assets. Nothing wrong with that.
Samwell Tarly Posted October 24, 2019 Author Posted October 24, 2019 Just now, Chandemonium said: It’s an interesting idea, but too reminiscent of slave auctions for today’s hyper PC, SJW dominated cultural-political climate to have a shot at being implemented IMO. An interesting point, but how different is the draft in that respect? The players go wherever they are taken, not a choice anyway. But I suppose some would see it that way..
MAJBobby Posted October 24, 2019 Posted October 24, 2019 Let’s look at MIA a roster that has maybe 2 NFL starters on it. they tank. now come UFA who is signing with them in the offseason? Still a roster VOID of talent. But hey got top overall pick. Their choice of QB. They take Tua and because he has zero weapons for two years and gets beat on for 2 years turns into Carr. How did that tank solve MIA problems?
Nick the Greek Posted October 24, 2019 Posted October 24, 2019 36 minutes ago, NC Book said: I don't think they're tanking. If they were, they would have left Rosen as the starter. He's BAD. They were a play from beating us at home last week imo. Thank you Tre'davious!! But that is a clever idea Or maybe if Knox makes that catch in the red zone we score and the games we take over the game earlier. But yea, it comes down to a play on each team.
Orlando Buffalo Posted October 24, 2019 Posted October 24, 2019 11 minutes ago, vorpma said: You are wrong!!!! Cowboy fans blew snot bubbles throughout the next two years; BTW listen to Jimmy Johnson talk about those years then go home! I thought he was playing Troy aikman and Michael Irvin similar to Peyton Manning learning his first year while sucking. Obviously you know Jimmy minds better than me. I Iwill speak for Cowboy fans of that era- short of winning the super bowl in 1989 there was nothing Jimmy could have done to impress them, they were pissed that Landry was pushed out the door. 1
Chandemonium Posted October 24, 2019 Posted October 24, 2019 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Jigsaw2112 said: An interesting point, but how different is the draft in that respect? The players go wherever they are taken, not a choice anyway. But I suppose some would see it that way.. I agree it’s not that much different than the draft, but think the actively bidding cash part coupled with the fact that it would be new whereas the draft is familiar and accepted would set it over the edge in some people’s minds enough to make a stink about it. Edit: I personally think it’s a ridiculous comparison, I just anticipate it being made if this system were to be proposed. Edited October 24, 2019 by Chandemonium
Locomark Posted October 24, 2019 Posted October 24, 2019 42 minutes ago, Nester said: Or just do a lotto for the bottom 15 teams like the NHL does. Being worst gives you the best chance at first pick, but not a guarantee. From the wiki Draft lottery At the conclusion of the regular season, the 15 teams that did not qualify for the playoffs are entered in a weighted lottery to determine the initial draft picks in the first round. The teams are seeded in the basic draft order based on their regular season point totals. The odds of winning the lottery are weighted on a descending scale that gives the greatest chance of winning to the team with the lowest point total (18.5%), and the worst chance to the team with the highest point total (1.0%). The prize for winning the draft lottery is to be upgraded to pick first in the first round of the draft, with each team that preceded the winner in the basic draft order bumped one pick lower. For example, if the team with the 5th worst point total wins the lottery, it would pick first, and the teams with the worst through 4th-worst records would pick second through fifth. The remaining teams would be unaffected. The teams would return to the basic order for the second and all subsequent rounds. From its inception through 2015, there was one winner of the lottery, from 1995–2012 the team that won the draft lottery moved up no more than four positions in the draft order. If the winner of the lottery was among the five worst teams in a given season, that team won the first pick in the draft, If the winner of the lottery was not among the five worst teams in a given season, the team will move up no more than four spots, and that team will not receive the first pick in the draft; from 2013–2015 the lottery winner received the first pick overall regardless of regular season point totals amongst the non-playoff teams. Beginning with the 2016 draft, three winners are picked in the lottery. These teams win the first three picks, with the remaining teams dropping as many as three places in the first round from their spot in the basic order.[11] The NHL Draft Lottery takes place just before or during the Stanley Cup playoffs and is hosted at Sportsnet's studios in Toronto from 2015 onwards. From 2006 to 2014, the draft lottery took place at TSN's studios in Toronto. Just let the lottery pulls be televised from Vegas so it doesn’t seem fixed like the NHL does...
vorpma Posted October 24, 2019 Posted October 24, 2019 11 minutes ago, Buffalo Timmy said: I thought he was playing Troy aikman and Michael Irvin similar to Peyton Manning learning his first year while sucking. Obviously you know Jimmy minds better than me. I Iwill speak for Cowboy fans of that era- short of winning the super bowl in 1989 there was nothing Jimmy could have done to impress them, they were pissed that Landry was pushed out the door. Absolutely, they dumped the whole organization and started over knowing they were going to get beat (Dolphins 2019) and knew they had to draft great and they did! Modern day NFL fans (millennials) want winning right away and just cannot grasp the pain of building a winning organization - Jimmy Johnson and Jerry Jones 1989 - 1992!
Samwell Tarly Posted October 24, 2019 Author Posted October 24, 2019 48 minutes ago, Phil The Thrill said: The whole thing is, there is no proof that deliberately tanking actually works in the NFL. It didn’t really work in Cleveland. There’s not telling it will work in Miami. In less teams have success I don’t think they change it I wasn't really even debating whether or not it works at all. Just suggesting an alternative.
Mr. WEO Posted October 24, 2019 Posted October 24, 2019 Jeez, I read here all week that the Fins were really up for the Bills game a dn were not as bad as their record indicated. Anyway, there is no need to change the draft. Look at the Browns, a team that had seemingly been tanking for years--yet they continued to make horrible 1st round picks.
iccrewman112 Posted October 24, 2019 Posted October 24, 2019 59 minutes ago, Buffalo Timmy said: I do not thing the NFL has a tanking problem- I know the Browns did it and Miami is now but it is not a likely scenario since it taskes so many players to be good in the NFL. Basically no rookie will be good enough by himself to turn a team around and a team would have to be bad 5 years to get enough guys together to make it work and no GM survives 5 bad years. Andrew Luck was for the Colts.
Samwell Tarly Posted October 24, 2019 Author Posted October 24, 2019 4 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Jeez, I read here all week that the Fins were really up for the Bills game a dn were not as bad as their record indicated. Anyway, there is no need to change the draft. Look at the Browns, a team that had seemingly been tanking for years--yet they continued to make horrible 1st round picks. True, some teams will always find a way to screw up.
Mr. WEO Posted October 24, 2019 Posted October 24, 2019 7 minutes ago, Jigsaw2112 said: True, some teams will always find a way to screw up. the systems works well. No logical reason or compelling argument to change it.
Orlando Buffalo Posted October 24, 2019 Posted October 24, 2019 8 minutes ago, iccrewman112 said: Andrew Luck was for the Colts. They had their Hall of Fame QB get injured- that was not part of their plan. But did they trade away a bunch of other guys also? I think they were an 8-8 team with great QB play and they had a bad QB behind Peyton.
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