Samwell Tarly Posted October 24, 2019 Posted October 24, 2019 At this point it's obvious what the Dolphins are doing, and a few other teams are definitely in yard sale mode. If the league wants to prevent teams from sandbagging themselves for a high draft pick, what are they to do? The current system rewards failure, but middling teams who could make the leap with high end talent end up stuck on the 6 to 8 win treadmill (As we Bills fans know all too well.) How about this for a concept: 1. In 4 years, eliminate the draft as we know it. This will work all the traded picks that currently exist out of the system. 2. Install an auction style system in its place. Every team already has a salary cap, so every team would still have a budget. Since we basically spend 4 months ranking these guys anyway, develop a consensus computer ranking system 1-250. Have the same show on draft weekend, starting with the #1 guy, but every team with cash to spend can bid on who they need, one player at a time, just focus on the player instead of the drafting team for 15 minutes. By doing this there's no incentive to fail, you still have to spend wisely, and the fans still have hope that their team can get quality players. I believe the NFL could make a good show of it, and with all the cap rules currently in place a team couldn't just dump all their guys and buy half the first round. Any thoughts?
Bookie Man Posted October 24, 2019 Posted October 24, 2019 I don't think they're tanking. If they were, they would have left Rosen as the starter. He's BAD. They were a play from beating us at home last week imo. Thank you Tre'davious!! But that is a clever idea 4 1
Nester Posted October 24, 2019 Posted October 24, 2019 Or just do a lotto for the bottom 15 teams like the NHL does. Being worst gives you the best chance at first pick, but not a guarantee. From the wiki Draft lottery At the conclusion of the regular season, the 15 teams that did not qualify for the playoffs are entered in a weighted lottery to determine the initial draft picks in the first round. The teams are seeded in the basic draft order based on their regular season point totals. The odds of winning the lottery are weighted on a descending scale that gives the greatest chance of winning to the team with the lowest point total (18.5%), and the worst chance to the team with the highest point total (1.0%). The prize for winning the draft lottery is to be upgraded to pick first in the first round of the draft, with each team that preceded the winner in the basic draft order bumped one pick lower. For example, if the team with the 5th worst point total wins the lottery, it would pick first, and the teams with the worst through 4th-worst records would pick second through fifth. The remaining teams would be unaffected. The teams would return to the basic order for the second and all subsequent rounds. From its inception through 2015, there was one winner of the lottery, from 1995–2012 the team that won the draft lottery moved up no more than four positions in the draft order. If the winner of the lottery was among the five worst teams in a given season, that team won the first pick in the draft, If the winner of the lottery was not among the five worst teams in a given season, the team will move up no more than four spots, and that team will not receive the first pick in the draft; from 2013–2015 the lottery winner received the first pick overall regardless of regular season point totals amongst the non-playoff teams. Beginning with the 2016 draft, three winners are picked in the lottery. These teams win the first three picks, with the remaining teams dropping as many as three places in the first round from their spot in the basic order.[11] The NHL Draft Lottery takes place just before or during the Stanley Cup playoffs and is hosted at Sportsnet's studios in Toronto from 2015 onwards. From 2006 to 2014, the draft lottery took place at TSN's studios in Toronto. 6
MJS Posted October 24, 2019 Posted October 24, 2019 9 minutes ago, NC Book said: I don't think they're tanking. If they were, they would have left Rosen as the starter. He's BAD. They were a play from beating us at home last week imo. Thank you Tre'davious!! But that is a clever idea They've jettisoned all their talent so they have no hope of winning regardless of who starts at QB. It's as tank as tanking gets. 2 minutes ago, TH3 said: What is wrong with tanking and reloading? Tough for the fans to stomach, I think. Very tough for the players and coaches to stomach because they put their time, energy, and bodies on the line to win. 1 1
vorpma Posted October 24, 2019 Posted October 24, 2019 2 minutes ago, MJS said: They've jettisoned all their talent so they have no hope of winning regardless of who starts at QB. It's as tank as tanking gets. Tough for the fans to stomach, I think. Very tough for the players and coaches to stomach because they put their time, energy, and bodies on the line to win. Nope
MJS Posted October 24, 2019 Posted October 24, 2019 1 minute ago, vorpma said: Nope Nope to what? Come on. Use your words. 2
Orlando Buffalo Posted October 24, 2019 Posted October 24, 2019 I do not thing the NFL has a tanking problem- I know the Browns did it and Miami is now but it is not a likely scenario since it taskes so many players to be good in the NFL. Basically no rookie will be good enough by himself to turn a team around and a team would have to be bad 5 years to get enough guys together to make it work and no GM survives 5 bad years. 1
vorpma Posted October 24, 2019 Posted October 24, 2019 2 minutes ago, MJS said: Nope to what? Come on. Use your words. 1989 Dallas Cowboys and Jimmy Johnson! 2 minutes ago, Buffalo Timmy said: I do not thing the NFL has a tanking problem- I know the Browns did it and Miami is now but it is not a likely scenario since it taskes so many players to be good in the NFL. Basically no rookie will be good enough by himself to turn a team around and a team would have to be bad 5 years to get enough guys together to make it work and no GM survives 5 bad years. Same thing - Jimmy Johnson and Jerry Jones "tanked" in 1989 then drafted a dynasty! 1
ticketssince61 Posted October 24, 2019 Posted October 24, 2019 The only benefit of tanking is to give you a shot at a franchise QB - which is hard to get right Cleveland "tanked" but where has it gotten them so far? 1
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 24, 2019 Posted October 24, 2019 How does one prove a team is tanking??? 1
Phil The Thrill Posted October 24, 2019 Posted October 24, 2019 12 minutes ago, Jigsaw2112 said: At this point it's obvious what the Dolphins are doing, and a few other teams are definitely in yard sale mode. If the league wants to prevent teams from sandbagging themselves for a high draft pick, what are they to do? The current system rewards failure, but middling teams who could make the leap with high end talent end up stuck on the 6 to 8 win treadmill (As we Bills fans know all too well.) How about this for a concept: 1. In 4 years, eliminate the draft as we know it. This will work all the traded picks that currently exist out of the system. 2. Install an auction style system in its place. Every team already has a salary cap, so every team would still have a budget. Since we basically spend 4 months ranking these guys anyway, develop a consensus computer ranking system 1-250. Have the same show on draft weekend, starting with the #1 guy, but every team with cash to spend can bid on who they need, one player at a time, just focus on the player instead of the drafting team for 15 minutes. By doing this there's no incentive to fail, you still have to spend wisely, and the fans still have hope that their team can get quality players. I believe the NFL could make a good show of it, and with all the cap rules currently in place a team couldn't just dump all their guys and buy half the first round. Any thoughts? The whole thing is, there is no proof that deliberately tanking actually works in the NFL. It didn’t really work in Cleveland. There’s not telling it will work in Miami. In less teams have success I don’t think they change it
Samwell Tarly Posted October 24, 2019 Author Posted October 24, 2019 Just now, ticketssince61 said: The only benefit of tanking is to give you a shot at a franchise QB - which is hard to get right Cleveland "tanked" but where has it gotten them so far? I would agree, but in this format anyone could get the top qb prospect, for a price. But if you're 8-8 and a QB away... 2 minutes ago, SlimShady'sGhost said: How does one prove a team is tanking??? Tough to prove...so take it out of the equation.
Orlando Buffalo Posted October 24, 2019 Posted October 24, 2019 8 minutes ago, vorpma said: 1989 Dallas Cowboys and Jimmy Johnson! Same thing - Jimmy Johnson and Jerry Jones "tanked" in 1989 then drafted a dynasty! Johnson did not tank the year, he had no talent when he arrived and made a trade of his one best player for 8 draft picks. He did not make them much worse in 1989 but made them much stronger in the future. That is very different than tanking which is intentioanlly making your team bad.
MAJBobby Posted October 24, 2019 Posted October 24, 2019 26 minutes ago, Jigsaw2112 said: At this point it's obvious what the Dolphins are doing, and a few other teams are definitely in yard sale mode. If the league wants to prevent teams from sandbagging themselves for a high draft pick, what are they to do? The current system rewards failure, but middling teams who could make the leap with high end talent end up stuck on the 6 to 8 win treadmill (As we Bills fans know all too well.) How about this for a concept: 1. In 4 years, eliminate the draft as we know it. This will work all the traded picks that currently exist out of the system. 2. Install an auction style system in its place. Every team already has a salary cap, so every team would still have a budget. Since we basically spend 4 months ranking these guys anyway, develop a consensus computer ranking system 1-250. Have the same show on draft weekend, starting with the #1 guy, but every team with cash to spend can bid on who they need, one player at a time, just focus on the player instead of the drafting team for 15 minutes. By doing this there's no incentive to fail, you still have to spend wisely, and the fans still have hope that their team can get quality players. I believe the NFL could make a good show of it, and with all the cap rules currently in place a team couldn't just dump all their guys and buy half the first round. Any thoughts? hate it. 1 1
Buffalo Dude Posted October 24, 2019 Posted October 24, 2019 Take the average of the last 3 year’s records. Rewards teams that have been really bad. And it stops teams like the Colts who were only bad for the year Luck came out. 1
Saint Doug Posted October 24, 2019 Posted October 24, 2019 The number 1 reason not to do this: if they slotted the draft in any way besides W-L record, somehow NE would end up with a top 5 pick every year. 1 1 2
MAJBobby Posted October 24, 2019 Posted October 24, 2019 (edited) 1 minute ago, Buffalo Dude said: Take the average of the last 3 year’s records. Rewards teams that have been really bad. And it stops teams like the Colts who were only bad for the year Luck came out. had nothing to do with Manning missing entire season did it? how many first overall QBs have won a SB recently. football isn’t the NHL or NBA tanking DOESNT fix teams immediately Edited October 24, 2019 by MAJBobby 2
vorpma Posted October 24, 2019 Posted October 24, 2019 1 minute ago, Buffalo Timmy said: Johnson did not tank the year, he had no talent when he arrived and made a trade of his one best player for 8 draft picks. He did not make them much worse in 1989 but made them much stronger in the future. That is very different than tanking which is intentioanlly making your team bad. You are wrong!!!! Cowboy fans blew snot bubbles throughout the next two years; BTW listen to Jimmy Johnson talk about those years then go home!
WhoTom Posted October 24, 2019 Posted October 24, 2019 19 minutes ago, TH3 said: What is wrong with tanking and reloading? 17 minutes ago, MJS said: Tough for the fans to stomach, I think. Very tough for the players and coaches to stomach because they put their time, energy, and bodies on the line to win. Pretty good incentive not to tank, then. The OP's idea is interesting, but it seems like a solution in search of a problem. 2
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