MAJBobby Posted October 24, 2019 Posted October 24, 2019 On 10/24/2019 at 5:23 PM, Virgil said: Can’t he be cut this offseason with little financial repercussions? Expand No The out year is after 2020 season
GG Posted October 24, 2019 Posted October 24, 2019 On 10/24/2019 at 5:14 PM, MAJBobby said: The most Over paid player on this football team, and sad thing is they are stuck with that Contract thru next year too. Expand On 10/24/2019 at 5:23 PM, Virgil said: Can’t he be cut this offseason with little financial repercussions? Expand Next year can be a reasonable cut day. They will save $2.3 million in space with an outright cut (he will still eat up $7.8 million cap number). If it's a post June designated cut, cap savings will be greater. There's a lot of incentive on both sides to restructure his deal though. He's not worth anywhere near the $7.5 million he's due to be paid next year, and Bills wouldn't mind keeping him for about $4 million. So look for a deal that does just that.
MAJBobby Posted October 24, 2019 Posted October 24, 2019 On 10/24/2019 at 5:27 PM, GG said: Next year can be a reasonable cut day. They will save $2.3 million in space with an outright cut (he will still eat up $7.8 million cap number). If it's a post June designated cut, cap savings will be greater. There's a lot of incentive on both sides to restructure his deal though. He's not worth anywhere near the $7.5 million he's due to be paid next year, and Bills wouldn't mind keeping him for about $4 million. So look for a deal that does just that. Expand Just cut him and be don with it.
MJS Posted October 24, 2019 Posted October 24, 2019 What percentage of the snaps does Star usually take up? I view him as a role player that they put out there to eat up space sometimes. The dline has been pretty good almost all year and then had a little bit of a hiccup against the Dolphins. Not sure we can jump to conclusions based on one game. 1
Real McClappy Posted October 24, 2019 Posted October 24, 2019 On 10/24/2019 at 5:25 PM, DrDawkinstein said: Looks like after next season... Year Age Base Salary Signing Roster Workout Cap Hit Dead Cap Yearly Cash 2018 28 $3,500,000 $2,600,000 $500,000 $100,000 $6,700,000 $18,600,000 $17,100,000($17,100,000) 2019 29 $7,150,000 $2,600,000 $1,500,000 $250,000 $11,500,000 $18,800,000 $8,900,000($26,000,000) 2020 30 $6,250,000 $2,600,000 $1,000,000 $250,000 $10,100,000 $7,800,000 $7,500,000($33,500,000) Potential Out: 2021, 3 yr, $33,500,000; $5,200,000 dead cap 2021 31 $6,500,000 $2,600,000 $1,500,000 $250,000 $10,850,000 $5,200,000 $8,250,000($41,750,000) 2022 32 $6,500,000 $2,600,000 $1,500,000 $250,000 $10,850,000 $2,600,000 $8,250,000($50,000,000) Expand I hope this does not deter the FO in signing Phillips in the offseason
MAJBobby Posted October 24, 2019 Posted October 24, 2019 On 10/24/2019 at 5:30 PM, MJS said: What percentage of the snaps does Star usually take up? I view him as a role player that they put out there to eat up space sometimes. The dline has been pretty good almost all year and then had a little bit of a hiccup against the Dolphins. Not sure we can jump to conclusions based on one game. Expand Sitting at 40% right now
MJS Posted October 24, 2019 Posted October 24, 2019 On 10/24/2019 at 5:37 PM, MAJBobby said: Sitting at 40% right now Expand That's higher than I expected. If McDermott and Frazier are putting him out there so much they must be liking what they see. 1
GG Posted October 24, 2019 Posted October 24, 2019 On 10/24/2019 at 5:28 PM, MAJBobby said: Just cut him and be don with it. Expand He still provides value to the team, just not at his contract. Still surprised that Bills called up Peko & not Vincent. 1
DrDawkinstein Posted October 24, 2019 Posted October 24, 2019 On 10/24/2019 at 5:35 PM, Real McCoy said: I hope this does not deter the FO in signing Phillips in the offseason Expand I would hope not, and doesnt seem like a Beane thing to do. They technically play different positions (1-tech vs 3-tech) so I hope that helps in their decision. As others pointed out, while we'd have $7M+ in dead cap space, it would still save $2.3M if we cut him. If push comes to shove, I'd rather see that $2.3M go to Jordan. 1
MJS Posted October 24, 2019 Posted October 24, 2019 On 10/24/2019 at 5:39 PM, GG said: He still provides value to the team, just not at his contract. Still surprised that Bills called up Peko & not Vincent. Expand That was probably a scheme familiarity decision. Vincent had not been here that long.
DrDawkinstein Posted October 24, 2019 Posted October 24, 2019 On 10/24/2019 at 5:39 PM, MJS said: That's higher than I expected. If McDermott and Frazier are putting him out there so much they must be liking what they see. Expand Harrison Phillips is injured. That's why Star's snaps are so high.
MJS Posted October 24, 2019 Posted October 24, 2019 On 10/24/2019 at 5:41 PM, DrDawkinstein said: Harrison Phillips is injured. That's why Star's snaps are so high. Expand What were his snaps before the Phillips injury?
Royale with Cheese Posted October 24, 2019 Posted October 24, 2019 On 10/24/2019 at 5:30 PM, MJS said: What percentage of the snaps does Star usually take up? I view him as a role player that they put out there to eat up space sometimes. The dline has been pretty good almost all year and then had a little bit of a hiccup against the Dolphins. Not sure we can jump to conclusions based on one game. Expand Here's the snap count breakdown.
TroutDog Posted October 24, 2019 Posted October 24, 2019 This was discussed in The Athletic: “In a game that featured a high-dosage of base defense, Star Lotulelei had only had eight more snaps than his backup. It’s been a rough start to the season for Lotulelei, who appears to be getting pushed off his spot more than he had been in 2018. The primary function of the one-technique player is to stand his ground, effectively setting the table for his teammates. Lotulelei has faced plenty of one-on-one matchups in 2019, and is consistently letting the offensive linemen beat him.” Bills All-22 Review: Why Josh Allen’s day looks better on film and Ed Oliver is heating up https://theathletic.com/1314766/2019/10/22/bills-all-22-review-why-josh-allens-day-looks-better-on-film-and-ed-oliver-is-heating-up/
MAJBobby Posted October 24, 2019 Posted October 24, 2019 On 10/24/2019 at 5:39 PM, MJS said: That's higher than I expected. If McDermott and Frazier are putting him out there so much they must be liking what they see. Expand highest he has been is 48%. was losing snaps to Harry before the Injury. So tells me thy are putting him out there that much because thy have no other option
BuffaloBillsMagic1 Posted October 24, 2019 Posted October 24, 2019 Useless player, reason why he was let go by previous team
MJS Posted October 24, 2019 Posted October 24, 2019 On 10/24/2019 at 5:42 PM, BuffaloBillsMagic1 said: Useless player, reason why he was let go by previous team Expand Wasn't he a free agent?
MAJBobby Posted October 24, 2019 Posted October 24, 2019 On 10/24/2019 at 5:39 PM, GG said: He still provides value to the team, just not at his contract. Still surprised that Bills called up Peko & not Vincent. Expand Then it is a restructure where it is Tear up everything about this current contract and take the pay cut. I definitely do not want to kick the can down the road with him and do a simple restructure. On 10/24/2019 at 5:43 PM, MJS said: Wasn't he a free agent? Expand Yeah meaning His Former team knew he wasnt worth what he was about to get.
GG Posted October 24, 2019 Posted October 24, 2019 On 10/24/2019 at 5:43 PM, MAJBobby said: Then it is a restructure where it is Tear up everything about this current contract and take the pay cut. I definitely do not want to kick the can down the road with him and do a simple restructure. Yeah meaning His Former team knew he wasnt worth what he was about to get. Expand That is correct - restructure with a huge cut in pay. Hopefully he doesn't freak out like Richie did.
MJS Posted October 24, 2019 Posted October 24, 2019 On 10/24/2019 at 5:43 PM, MAJBobby said: Yeah meaning His Former team knew he wasnt worth what he was about to get. Expand That's not really what that means. Quality players are available every year in free agency. Every team has their own unique cap and roster situation. Did we let Gilmore go because he wasn't worth the money? That's a gross oversimplification. It looks like Star consistently gets 40% of the snaps. That's a large percentage. McDermott and Frazier aren't imbeciles. They've shown that they are willing to bench players that don't produce. Star probably does what they ask him to do most of the time, which is why he continues to play. I'm not going to pretend (like others here are) that I know more than the coaches who have gotten us to a 5-1 record PRIMARILY on the strength of our elite defense. 1
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