Kelly the Dog Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 1 minute ago, dave mcbride said: I'm not saying that he's not trying to score; I'm saying that he's not forcing things in close-call plays because he doesn't have too. But that is what he was doing late.He threw a dangerous pass. I couldn't believe it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 Just now, dave mcbride said: Yeah, when he wins yet another SB MVP on a 15-1 team we'll still be complaining again about his decline. Watch the games and the players around him. He hasn't changed. FWIW, he threw a ball at 61 mph this offseason, which is elite: https://www.masslive.com/patriots/2019/06/tom-bradys-arm-appears-to-be-in-peak-form-patriots-qb-posts-photo-of-radar-gun-at-61-mph.html. I'm not saying that he's not trying to score; I'm saying that he's not forcing things in close-call plays because he doesn't have too. OOO No not a one time throw in the offseason. I watch the games, I have watched Brady Not be able to get the ball down field to Gordon. I have watched Gordon running open. I know Gordon would be an Instant WR2 and the 2nd biggest threat the minute he walks into OBD. So yep make the waiver claim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r00tabaga Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 25 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: ? - i don't understand your post. Which 12 individuals are you referring to? Oops. Confused your post with another's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlottebillsfan2 Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 If another team in the NFL put him on IR and the Pats signed him everyone would be going crazy. Maybe we should act like the Pats and bring in a guy like this. Give him a one year deal for this season. We're not giving up any draft capital and he can bolster our WR corp. Let the pats play cover 0 with him and Brown on the outside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 2 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: OOO No not a one time throw in the offseason. I watch the games, I have watched Brady Not be able to get the ball down field to Gordon. I have watched Gordon running open. I know Gordon would be an Instant WR2 and the 2nd biggest threat the minute he walks into OBD. So yep make the waiver claim To be clear, I am not opposed to taking a flyer on Gordon. I just don't think that the Bills' organization is likely to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Saxum Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 18 hours ago, Pabstblueribbon said: The Honorable thing for an organization to do would be to cut him before the deadline and allow him to choose where he wants to play. Since we're dealing with NE however I expect he'll end up with the Dolphins or Skins and spiral out of the game from there. Honorable? Right now he has value as potential draft pick or player. Teams, whether cheaters or not, need to try to get value from all players they have even if they are cutting them. Lots of players have milked injuries (plantars fakeitis), delayed returning to get as much money as they can, held out after willingly signed new contracts or retired and then tried to become free agents to sign for another team after they said 'I no longer have football in me'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 2 minutes ago, Limeaid said: Honorable? Right now he has value as potential draft pick or player. Teams, whether cheaters or not, need to try to get value from all players they have even if they are cutting them. Lots of players have milked injuries (plantars fakeitis), delayed returning to get as much money as they can, held out after willingly signed new contracts or retired and then tried to become free agents to sign for another team after they said 'I no longer have football in me'. Cant trade a player on IR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 4 hours ago, LabattBlue said: Okay...maybe I missed a good year he had, but every time I've seen him the last couple of years, he seems to flunk the eye test. Fair enough and he may have lost a step. With that being said how many times have we said, “if ______ was in ______’s system he’d be a star.” The reality is that Josh Gordon has been a dominant player while playing in an all-time bad situation. It’s reasonable to believe that he could be at least a good player in a good situation. He’s actually proven that he can dominate (not saying that he will again). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 Not sure if already discussed but apparently he’s subject to waivers if released after Tuesday. If it’s before Tuesday he’s a FA. It’s anticipated they will wait because then he would likely be claimed by a bad team at the top of the waiver order rather than be able to sign with anyone who they are going to play or in competition with perhaps from a playoff perspective (ie Chiefs, Bills, Texans, Colts) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babulator Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 Pretty good article from Yoohoo explaining the pros of putting him on IR. Basicly instead of allowing him to be a free agent they can make him clear waivers and get draft compensation. https://sports.yahoo.com/looking-answers-why-patriots-didnt-152403021.html "While we're all still scratching our heads as to why the Patriots would part ways with a capable player who plays a position they've desperately been trying to fill for the last couple of seasons, let's get into some of the bookkeeping associated with the move. Placing Josh Gordon on injured reserve . . . 1) . . . DOESN'T END HIS SEASON It ends his season with the Patriots, in all likelihood. They've already used one of their return-from-IR designations on receiver N'Keal Harry and the other seems ticketed for left tackle Isaiah Wynn. Gordon would technically be eligible to return after eight weeks if he was coming back from a serious injury. But based on his reaction to the move Wednesday night, and based on the fact that he was out at Wednesday afternoon's walkthrough, his injury isn't so serious that it would require an eight-week absence. Players on IR with minor injuries must be released when healthy. So while he won't be back with the Patriots, odds are he'll be playing somewhere for someone else in due time. CURRAN: With offensive personnel, Pats are just winging it 2) . . . FREES UP A ROSTER SPOT FOR MOHAMED SANU Mohamed Sanu is a different player than Gordon, as we pointed out in our initial reaction to the Gordon IR move Wednesday night. So in terms of the on-the-field impact, this isn't a one-for-one swap. But as far as the roster goes, it can be thought of in those terms. The Patriots needed a freed-up slot on their 53-man roster after trading a second-round pick to the Falcons for Sanu. Initially it looked like the Patriots would be clearing a spot for Sanu by releasing Eric Tomlinson. The team announced that it was releasing Tomlinson midday Wednesday. But that swap never became official. Instead it was Gordon who was plucked from the roster and placed on IR to make room for Sanu. Tomlinson remains on the team. 3) . . . MAY PREVENT GORDON FROM LANDING WITH A CONTENDER Even if Gordon spends just one week on IR, that benefits the Patriots. How? Consider his move to IR a delayed release. Had the Patriots simply released him on Wednesday to clear a spot for Sanu, Gordon would've become a free agent and eligible to sign with any team. The Patriots probably wouldn't want that to happen and then see him land with a playoff contender. By placing him on IR, they can keep him from the free-agent market. If he's released off of IR after the Oct. 29 trade deadline, he (like all players, even veterans, who are released after the deadline) would have to go through the waiver process. That means Gordon would not be free to sign with a team of his choosing. The waiver priority list is based on club records, meaning teams at the bottom of the standings and out of contention would first have a crack at Gordon. What's next for Josh Gordon? 4) . . . COULD LAND A REBUILDING TEAM A DRAFT PICK Why, you might be asking yourself, would a team like the Dolphins or the Bengals care about plucking Gordon off of waivers? The answer is simple enough: draft capital. Because Gordon is eligible to hit free agency this offseason, he's eligible to qualify for the league's compensatory pick formula. If the Dolphins claim him on waivers and keep him for the season, they could let him walk this offseason, watch him sign elsewhere, and they may end up with a 2021 pick as a result. Even if it's a Day 3 selection, a half-season of Gordon (and his salary) would be worth it for a team at the bottom of the league and looking to rebuild through the draft. 5) . . . MAY END UP GIVING THE PATRIOTS SOME CAP RELIEF Notice in the previous graph I pointed out that any team that claims him on waivers would also be claiming his contract. Gordon was a restricted free agent last offseason and signed his one-year tender with the Patriots for $2.025 million. Had he been released on Wednesday to create room for Sanu, the Patriots likely would've been on the hook to pay the rest of that salary for 2019, according to OverTheCap.com's Jason Fitzgerald. If, by releasing him off of IR following the trade deadline, Gordon gets claimed, then whichever team claims him will also claim the approximately $1 million on salary (and cap space) left on his contract for this season. That's nothing for a team like the Dolphins, for instance, who have about $28 million in cap space right now. But for the Patriots - who are tight up against the cap thanks in part to the money committed to Antonio Brown earlier this year - that money would serve as some slight relief. They're looking for relief where they can get it, it seems. The Patriots restructured Shaq Mason's contract this week to free up just over $1 million, according to ESPN. They could also try to extend players like Kyle Van Noy, Dont'a Hightower and Devin McCourty for further relief. My understanding is that they haven't yet reached out to McCourty on an extension to this point. If Bill Belichick and Nick Caserio want to swing any more deals between now and the trade deadline, or if they want to sign any additional free agents as the season goes on, they'll need some cap breathing room. PERRY: Bennett says 'no love lost' after suspension 6) . . . REMAINS SOMEWHAT OF A HEAD-SCRATCHER Keeping Gordon away from a contender while simultaneously freeing up some cap space and clearing the way for first-round pick N'Keal Harry to contribute makes some sense for the Patriots. But at a position where Belichick and Caserio have been desperately searching for talent for two years now, releasing a player like Gordon - who'd proven himself capable of being a key piece when available, who'd earned trust from Tom Brady - leaves questions unanswered. One injury, particularly to Harry, who missed most of training camp injured, would suddenly give the Patriots a big-body-outside-the-numbers receiving need and ding the overall depth of the wideout group. The team was clearly OK with letting Tomlinson walk about 24 hours ago. Does keeping the tight end-slash-fullback hybrid on the roster clearly represent better value than what Gordon provided? What happened between the team's announcement of Tomlinson's release and Gordon's placement on IR? For a player who has dealt with as much as Gordon has over the course of his life and has previously acknowledged his own issues with being dependable - typically a hallmark of what Belichick wants in his players - one has to wonder if the team simply determined this was a player it no longer wanted to, or couldn't, depend on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSBill Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 (edited) The more I've thought about this, the more I think they should go after him. And by that I mean, make a trade -- for one of those lower round picks. The Pats win by getting something rather than an outright release, the Bills win by getting a player with a high up-side for a relatively low risk and price. The risk reward is positive. GO FOR IT! https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2859634-if-josh-gordon-is-done-in-new-england-where-should-he-go-next?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=nfl Edited October 26, 2019 by CSBill 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreggTX Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 He's not as good as some people seem to think. I think some are basing their assessment more on reputation than performance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cantankerous Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 The Bills could absolutely use Gordon. He’d be an instant upgrade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 54 minutes ago, GreggTX said: He's not as good as some people seem to think. I think some are basing their assessment more on reputation than performance. is he an upgrade over duke? ask yourself that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 LOOPHOLES Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giuseppe Tognarelli Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 I don't understand why the Patriots want to cut him. Did I miss something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putin Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 Why wouldn’t the patriots****** just trade him and get something for him ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 Something strange is up. Again. Pats can’t have him no one can? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 As some have alluded to, they're announcing this to drum up interest so that some team will make a trade for him. Releasing him gets them zilch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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