dave mcbride Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 Just now, r00tabaga said: But are those 12 guys going to be picked up by other clubs. Short answer is no. ? - i don't understand your post. Which 12 individuals are you referring to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 Just now, dave mcbride said: That's the thing. Gordon is going to have options. I can't imagine the Bills will be high on his list -- i mean, i have to think he's had his fill of Lake Erie-adjacent snowbelt cities. I imagine he wants a team that is winning with a QB that can almost throw it out of the stadium who needs a guy just like him. It's a rather good fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said: I imagine he wants a team that is winning with a QB that can almost throw it out of the stadium who needs a guy just like him. It's a rather good fit. I disagree, but we shall see. I also suspect that Beane/McDermott want nothing to do with a player who has had so many personal problems and who failed his team last season during the stretch run. But there's another thing you have to ask yourself: why did a very smart organization with such issues on their pass offense dump him? Who was the last NE player who was effectively cut mid-season who exceeded expectations elsewhere? Edited October 24, 2019 by dave mcbride Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 3 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: How about multiple year-long suspensions and a long excused absence during a stretch run? You've gotta do better than that. Ok how about a Prison Sentence does that fit the culture. I think Battling and overcoming addictions is the EXACT DNA McD talks about, the Fight in him to keep trying to pursue his dream of football 2 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: Are you ready to put that on your tombstone? Because it's sheer madness for them to not trade him. They're going to be getting a pick at around the 97 slot and nothing else for him, and that team is going to lose a minimum of 12 games this year. Yep I would, go look at their Owners and tell m again that they will do th smart thing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 Just now, MAJBobby said: Ok how about a Prison Sentence does that fit the culture. I think Battling and overcoming addictions is the EXACT DNA McD talks about, the Fight in him to keep trying to pursue his dream of football I think you're just wrong, and anyway, has he overcome them? What happened late last season? Why is a such WR-deficient team effectively cutting him now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: That's the thing. Gordon is going to have options. I can't imagine the Bills will be high on his list -- i mean, i have to think he's had his fill of Lake Erie-adjacent snowbelt cities. Thing is HE DOESNT get a Say. He will be claimed on Waivers and will show up and play and if that is the Bills that are doing it, h definitely will come play hard to stick it to the Patriots. Just now, dave mcbride said: I think you're just wrong, and anyway, has he overcome them? What happened late last season? Why is a such WR-deficient team effectively cutting him now? Their Rookie is coming back from IR and just way overpaid for Sanu. He hasnt failed a test has he Edited October 24, 2019 by MAJBobby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 1 minute ago, dave mcbride said: I disagree, but we shall see. I also suspect that Beane/McDermott want nothing to do with a player who has had so many personal problems and who failed his team last season during the stretch run. Fair enough. Lately we have been seeing a bunch of reports about teams that put in claims for guys that weren't awarded them, something we often didnt get before. Will be interesting to see, say, if he is awarded on waivers but the Bills did put in a claim. Gordon is a unique case though, and as I surmised earlier he may be able to pick his team more than other guys because of his past. As you say, we shall see. Cheers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 Just now, MAJBobby said: Thing is HE DOESNT get a Say. He will be claimed on Waivers and will show up and play and if that is the Bills that are doing it, h definitely will come play hard to stick it to the Patriots. That is true, but if he clears waivers - which is the most likely outcome because teams do NOT want to be on the hook for his full contract if he flakes out - then my scenario is operative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 (edited) Just now, dave mcbride said: That is true, but if he clears waivers - which is the most likely outcome because teams do NOT want to be on the hook for his full contract if he flakes out - then my scenario is operative. What is his Full Contract? 1.5M OUCH so bad He is going to get claimed and I hope it is from the Bills So you wouldnt pay 1.5M for a WR2 next to Brown? Edited October 24, 2019 by MAJBobby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 2 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Thing is HE DOESNT get a Say. He will be claimed on Waivers and will show up and play and if that is the Bills that are doing it, h definitely will come play hard to stick it to the Patriots. Their Rookie is coming back from IR and just way overpaid for Sanu. He hasnt failed a test has he They traded a second rounder AFTER they determined they didn't want him! That's why they made the trade in the first place! Also, Brady has been complaining that the WRs don't know the routes. You think Harry, who was on the shelf for a while, is ready to know the full offense for the stretch run? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 (edited) Just now, dave mcbride said: They traded a second rounder AFTER they determined they didn't want him! That's why they made the trade in the first place! Also, Brady has been complaining that the WRs don't know the routes. You think Harry, who was on the shelf for a while, is ready to know the full offense for the stretch run? Umm He was hurt, trade deadline about to close, Needed to make a Move. Just now, dave mcbride said: They traded a second rounder AFTER they determined they didn't want him! That's why they made the trade in the first place! Also, Brady has been complaining that the WRs don't know the routes. You think Harry, who was on the shelf for a while, is ready to know the full offense for the stretch run? You dont say Brady COmplaining to hide his age issues, wow shocking. How about More likely Brady's Arm cannot throw the Routes Gordon specializes in anymore? Edited October 24, 2019 by MAJBobby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Umm He was hurt, trade deadline about to close, Needed to make a Move. You dont say Brady COmplaining to hide his age issues, wow shocking. How about More likely Brady's Arm cannot throw the Routes Gordon socializes in anymore? I'll trust the GOAT's opinion on this. His arm looks fine anyway. Edited October 24, 2019 by dave mcbride Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 Just now, dave mcbride said: I'll trust the GOAT's opinion on this. His arm looks fine anyway. Than I don't know what you are watching, he doesn't push the ball down the field, scattershot accuracy over 10 yards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 1 minute ago, dave mcbride said: I'll trust the GOAT's opinion on this. His arm looks fine anyway. He did say to the ref, "There was a guy right there!" when there clearly was not on Sunday night, as well as he knew nothing about deflated balls or a guy they called "The Deflater," so I don't think you can trust what the bastard says. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Than I don't know what you are watching, he doesn't push the ball down the field, scattershot accuracy over 10 yards That's just not true. His arm is the same as it was in 2017, when he was 40 and arguably the best QB in the league. I watch a lot of Pats' games. Their issue right now is not him; it's the lack of NFL-level TE (until this past Monday) and injuries/retirements in their core blocking group (o-line/TE/FB) that have made them into a 3.3 ypc team in the run game (they were 4.3 last season). Brady is averaging 7.3 ypa and a 66 percent completion rate. Edited October 24, 2019 by dave mcbride Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 1 minute ago, dave mcbride said: That's just not true. His arm is the same as it was in 2017, when he was 40 and arguably the best QB in the league. I watch a lot of Pats' games. Their issue right now is not him; it's the lack of NFL-level TE (until this past Monday) and injuries/retirements in their core blocking group (o-line/TE/FB) that have made them into a 3.3 ypc team in the run game. Brady is averaging 7.3 ypa and a 66 percent completion rate. To me he still throws a large portion of perfect passes in every game, but his portion of just bad passes is way up. Part of them can be explained away as his options. But he throws a lot to Edelman, too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 Just now, Kelly the Dog said: To me he still throws a large portion of perfect passes in every game, but his portion of just bad passes is way up. Part of them can be explained away as his options. But he throws a lot to Edelman, too. I think he throws a ton of them away. I honestly think he's playing cautiously because the defense is so dominant. When he needs to make plays, he does (particularly early in games). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 Wrong his Air yards per completion is 5.8 and Intended air yards 7.3 2017 6.6 and 9 So right now throwing more Horizontal than he ever has since they tracked these stats. Translation Arm is dead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 1 minute ago, dave mcbride said: I think he throws a ton of them away. I honestly think he's playing cautiously because the defense is so dominant. When he needs to make plays, he does (particularly early in games). He's not the type. He was throwing 20 yard passes up by 30 points with six minutes to go on his own 15 yard line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Wrong his Air yards per completion is 5.8 and Intended air yards 7.3 2017 6.6 and 9 So right now throwing more Horizontal than he ever has since they tracked these stats. Translation Arm is dead Yeah, when he wins yet another SB MVP on a 15-1 team we'll still be talking about his decline. Watch the games and the players around him. He hasn't changed; the other players have. FWIW, he threw a ball at 61 mph this offseason, which is elite: https://www.masslive.com/patriots/2019/06/tom-bradys-arm-appears-to-be-in-peak-form-patriots-qb-posts-photo-of-radar-gun-at-61-mph.html. 2 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said: He's not the type. He was throwing 20 yard passes up by 30 points with six minutes to go on his own 15 yard line. I'm not saying that he's not trying to score; I'm saying that he's not forcing things in close-call plays because he doesn't have too. Edited October 24, 2019 by dave mcbride Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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