Reader Posted October 22, 2019 Posted October 22, 2019 Hey all, I know the general sentiment here about PFF, but as a guy who enjoys numbers and statistics I figured I would bring up a point anyways. As you know PFF tends to be quite critical of Allen where our forum debates to what extent that critique is warranted, something I'd mention though is to what extent PFF seems to neglect mentioning Allen's improvement these past couple of weeks. By my count, and I don't have elite so I can't go back and check, Allen's grade has trended up significantly since the Patriots game. Note the game by game scores are guesses based of Allen's overall grade, so technically they are almost non-guesses thanks to math. Week 1 score-57ish slightly below average Total rating 57ish Week 2 score-75ish strong game by Allen Total rating 66ish Week 3 score-52ish below average game for Allen, Total rating 60ish Week 4 score-34ish extremely poor game for Allen, Total rating 50ish Unsurprisingly we see Allen have an extremely bad game against the Patriots similar to everyone else who has played them. Week 5 score-70ish strong game by Allen Total rating 57ish Week 6 score-75ish strong game by Allen Total rating 60ish. Allen has played two great games by their measures and yet one hardly hears a peep about that. In addition to that Allen now has an average grade as a QB, especially important noting that last year his passing grade at the end of the season is poor. The Bills still have a lot of kinks to work out, but the fact is that Allen seems to be improving and if that is something he continues to do we have a lot to feel excited about even if the experts who see it hardly comment on it. 5
HOUSE Posted October 22, 2019 Posted October 22, 2019 (edited) Always know your writers 48 3 335 Edited October 22, 2019 by HOUSE 1 4 1 1
TH3 Posted October 22, 2019 Posted October 22, 2019 This concerns me.....I need to see Allen ranked higher in somewhat arbitrary algorithms to make me feel better about JA. 2 3
Don Otreply Posted October 22, 2019 Posted October 22, 2019 30 minutes ago, TH3 said: This concerns me.....I need to see Allen ranked higher in somewhat arbitrary algorithms to make me feel better about JA. Sarcasm, mixed with confusion, and a lack of understanding, jmo. Go Bills!!! 1
DRA3196 Posted October 23, 2019 Posted October 23, 2019 most important numbers for me are 5-1. and a lot of that is because of JA and his elite performance in the 4th qtr. You can throw math and algorithms right out the window, because they can't be used to measure HEART, determination or to evaluate "The Process".
billsfan89 Posted October 23, 2019 Posted October 23, 2019 Before the Pats game PFF was saying how they might have to eat some crow on Josh Allen. So they aren't dogmatic in how they hate him, but there certainly is a bias. 1
TigerJ Posted October 23, 2019 Posted October 23, 2019 I'll bet Sam Darnold's last game versus the Patriots was worse by PFF's measure than Josh Allen's.
One Buffalo Posted October 23, 2019 Posted October 23, 2019 I remember when it was popular to knock Allen's ability to make the short passes... (and yeah we all know he is having trouble with the long ball this year) 1
TheFunPolice Posted October 23, 2019 Posted October 23, 2019 Last year we heard how Allen couldn't hit the short easy passes Now he can't hit the deep balls Lol
BruceVilanch Posted October 23, 2019 Posted October 23, 2019 I believe he is leading the league in 4th qt passer rating which I will take. 1
Warcodered Posted October 23, 2019 Posted October 23, 2019 Just now, BruceVilanch said: I believe he is leading the league in 4th qt passer rating which I will take. Dang the one quarter PFF doesn't check so close. 1 2
Thurman#1 Posted October 23, 2019 Posted October 23, 2019 (edited) Yeah, PFF didn't mention kumquats either. Damn them. They leave so many things out. Whenever you hear, "they left out," it's almost always something not necessarily relevant, but important to the kibitzer. Same in this case, IMO. And it really doesn't make much sense to say PFF doesn't know what they're doing. They do. And the proof of that is that nearly every NFL team buys their materials. They wouldn't do that if they didn't know what they are doing. PFF gets a lot of crap here and most of it is of the "I don't like the message, and here's the messenger standing right here ... wait, I've got an idea" variety. Agreed that Allen is trending up a bit the last two games, but this last game was a lot better than the Pats game but not really a very good game for him. He still has a long way to go, looks to me. Edited October 23, 2019 by Thurman#1 2
Laughing Coffin Posted October 23, 2019 Posted October 23, 2019 I think what's kind of happening is Allen is waiting too long to throw it, and he's able to do so because his arm allows it. He's waiting for the WR to be already past the defender to launch it, instead he needs to trust his receivers' speed and soon as he's even, he's leavin'. I don't have the statistics but it's safe to surmise that the completion percentage of long balls that go 40-50 air yards is vastly better than long balls that traveling 50-60 yards in the air. Allen makes it harder for himself 1
oldmanfan Posted October 23, 2019 Posted October 23, 2019 54 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said: Yeah, PFF didn't mention kumquats either. Damn them. They leave so many things out. Whenever you hear, "they left out," it's almost always something not necessarily relevant, but important to the kibitzer. Same in this case, IMO. And it really doesn't make much sense to say PFF doesn't know what they're doing. They do. And the proof of that is that nearly every NFL team buys their materials. They wouldn't do that if they didn't know what they are doing. PFF gets a lot of crap here and most of it is of the "I don't like the message, and here's the messenger standing right here ... wait, I've got an idea" variety. Agreed that Allen is trending up a bit the last two games, but this last game was a lot better than the Pats game but not really a very good game for him. He still has a long way to go, looks to me. They buy for the amount of film, not their ratings.
GunnerBill Posted October 23, 2019 Posted October 23, 2019 So PFF is neglecting to mention his improvement by recognising it with improved grades? Okay. 1 1
Doc Brown Posted October 23, 2019 Posted October 23, 2019 5 hours ago, One Buffalo said: I remember when it was popular to knock Allen's ability to make the short passes... (and yeah we all know he is having trouble with the long ball this year) This is bizarre considering what we thought his strengths and weaknesses were coming into the season. I am really encouraged with him putting touch on his short passes and his pass to McKenzie last week was the perfect example of this as he hit him with a touch pass in stride. On the other hand, he's missed wide open WR's down the field who were behind the defense that would've been touchdowns. It may be he gets overly excited and that extra adrenaline causes the ball to sail. Or maybe his accuracy problem is most pronounced on the long ball.
Thurman#1 Posted October 23, 2019 Posted October 23, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, oldmanfan said: They buy for the amount of film, not their ratings. The amount of film? Yeah, um, no. They don't film games. And as for the details of what they're buying, great. If this isn't a guess, I'd love to see your link to the details of what the teams are buying. Edited October 23, 2019 by Thurman#1 1
GunnerBill Posted October 23, 2019 Posted October 23, 2019 2 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said: The amount of film? Yeah, um, no. They don't film games. And as for the details of what they're buying, great. If this isn't a guess, I'd love to see your link to the details of what the teams are buying. There are a lot of advanced analytics that they like but it has become the PFF haters mantra that "oh the NFL teams don't care about their grades." Well run NFL teams use every source of information they can get. There is no salary cap on this stuff so they get their hands on whatever they can and then they sift through to work out the bits that they can use.
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